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re: Dayton, OH bar mass shooting - 10 dead, 27 wounded
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:33 am to Number2
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:33 am to Number2
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Social media, including the free for all message boards where this inciteful hate speech is allowed to go unchecked? I look at the political board on this site for instance. I think the admins of this site and others have a moral obligation to start taking down messages that perpetuate hate and conspiracies.
Yeah. I get the free speech angle but at some point we have to take a step back and review the “at what cost” angle.
Look, there have been mass shooting way before social media. But the frequency is what’s alarming. I’m not anti-gun by any means but the fact that someone has open access to a weapon that’s only design is to fire a pretty large round at a high rate of speed is terrifying. People can say all the Rambo shite they want. Some psycho spraying a Walmart grocery store would catch all of us off guard.
Now, here’s where social media becomes a problem. It gives these nut bags an open forum to read all the shite and get all juiced up as well as to post crazy shite under an anonymous name. These people are already mentally weak and there is a global outlet available at their fingertips. Hate isn’t a new thing. It just has its own outlet now that makes people think it’s all ok. You can pretty much find someone to agree with any shitty view on any of the hundreds of social media sites out there.
I don’t know where we go from here but it sure feels like we’re teetering around with a full blown civil war in this country and it’s people have never been more armed.
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Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:33 am to Number2
Brandenburg v. Ohio is the case you want to read.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:33 am to Number2
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incite an immediate breach of the peace
Does not include the Poli Board.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:34 am to DeafJam73
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revamp the mental health system
You realize you're not going to get rid of people suffering from mental health issues, right? It's never going to go away. But what you CAN do is make some steps that prevent these people with diagnosed issues or the warning signs from getting these guns. How stringent are the background checks? Right after this "mental health" narrative started, a shooting happened with a guy with documented mental health problems who LEGALLY acquired firearms. If that's going to be your mountain, you can't just expect a psychiatrist to come in and magically fix it all. It's going to take work from everyone.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:34 am to MightyYat
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we have to take a step back and review the “at what cost” angle.
Here we go. Doorway to authoritarianism.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:34 am to ugastreaker
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Folks need to carry, and actually practice, and be able to hit targets from 30 yards.
One of the basic tenets of the conceal carry crowd and why they're such strong proponents, is to "be ready for when shite like this goes down" I see them using the "shite goes down" phrase alot.
Well Texas is a conceal carry state and those people are fanatics about their guns.
One of these shootings happened in Texas at a Walmart. I can promise you, any number of people had pistolas on them and you know what they did? That's right, they ran and hid just like the fricking rest of us would've. Not fricking one of them stepped up.
I'm pro concealed carry. Carry all the guns you want, whenever you want. I'm just not gonna pretend it fricking matters, because it doesn't.
We all know how the dipshits in that store who were armed have probably praddled on in the past about how if shite like that happened with them around lives would've been saved. Conceal carry guys all like to believe that.
That's what every concealed carry guy out there fantasizes about. Saving the fricking day.
This post was edited on 8/4/19 at 8:36 am
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:35 am to DeafJam73
He left out the “imminent lawless action” part of the rule.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:35 am to DeafJam73
This thread and it’s posters disappoints me. A bunch of douches on both sides of the political spectrum taking unwarranted gotcha shots at people
That will solve our problems
That will solve our problems
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:36 am to Pandy Fackler
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I can promise you, any number of people had pistolas on them
Link? Or is this just more fabricated crap?
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:36 am to Pandy Fackler
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One of the basic tenets of the conceal carry crowd and why they're such strong proponents, is to "be ready for when shite like this goes down" I see them using the "shite goes down" phrase alot.
Well Texas is a conceal carry state and those people are fanatics about their guns.
One of these shootings happened in Texas at a Walmart. I can promise you, any number of people had pistolas on them and you know what they did? That's right, they ran and hid just like the fricking rest of us would've. Not fricking one of them stepped up.
I'm pro concealed carry. Carry all the guns you want, whenever you want. I'm just not gonna pretend it fricking matters, because it doesn't.
We all know how the dipshits in that store who were armed have probably praddled on in the past about how if shite like that happened with them around lives would've been saved? Conceal carry guys all like to believe that.
That's what every concealed carry guy out there fantasizes about. Saving the fricking day.
This
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:36 am to TigerOnTheMountain
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but Jesus Twitter is such a cesspool.
Social media is one of the biggest detriments to our world as we know it. It has given people a platform that should never have one, like these these shooters.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:38 am to Pandy Fackler
I love when people use factless and absolute statements to drive their narrative
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:38 am to Pandy Fackler
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Not fricking one of them stepped up.
You don't know this. Just because the shooter wasn't hit doesn't mean there weren't shots fired at him. maybe, just maybe, these people were trying to get their families out of harms way? You watch too many action movies.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:38 am to swift
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He left out the “imminent lawless action” part of the rule
I was responding to someone who said we can't regulate speech. My only point was, we can. Furthermore, I was talking about the admins of sites like the one the recent shooter was on, not government.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:40 am to Number2
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who said we can't regulate speech
We should never regulate speech unless it's causing an imminent threat.
The things you want regulated today will be used against you tomorrow
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:40 am to AU4real35
If you follow the right people and not every athlete, celebrity, and best friend, it's a good way to get news before the networks have had a chance to digest it.
But also accept that a lot if it might be muddled before the smoke is cleared. Don't run with it like it's gospel.
But also accept that a lot if it might be muddled before the smoke is cleared. Don't run with it like it's gospel.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:40 am to VermilionTiger
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I love when people use factless and absolute statements to drive their narrative
It's emotion driven.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:40 am to Number2
Like Facebook and twitter that regulate speech in a one sided way? What you want will never happen.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:41 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
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This is so frustrating... gun ownership used to be much higher in this country and guns were part of the culture and were everywhere from westerns to kid shows and yet this never occurred. What changed? The media and dems will only come after 2nd amendment and will completely ignore root problems as to why this is happening.
you remember seeing a lot of ARs and high capacity mags in your Westerns?
The root of the problem is the ease with which any person in America can buy military-grade weapons. that shite is ridiculous. The other issue is the amount of people walking around with medical issues that go diagnosed and untx'd.
I know of one party that would like to help limit the availability of guns to potential lunatics, and that same party is trying to make healthcare easy and affordable so that more people get the help they need.
the other party, the one obsessed with "personal responsibility," is continuously passing the buck on both issues.
Posted on 8/4/19 at 8:42 am to Janky
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Like Facebook and twitter that regulate speech in a one sided way?
Both the left and the right claim this is the case.
So it's probably not actually true.
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