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re: Danny Masterson Sentenced To 30 Years In Prison After Rape Convictions
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:27 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:27 am to Darth_Vader
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But, again I ask, other than their allegations of being drugged and raped, what actual evidence is there that these women we in fact drugged and raped.
i'm actually pretty astounded at the level to which this board, which is usually pretty rational, is jumping in on support of this conviction. if this is the standard for conviction, literally any one of us could be convicted of rape at any time.
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Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:30 am to Darth_Vader
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So, in your mind, a simple allegation is evidence enough to convince someone, even if there is no evidence to support that allegation?
I haven't followed the trial at all, but that was my question too. How much evidence can you really have that a rape occurred 20 years ago if it wasn't reported to police and a rape kit was never performed? Without DNA evidence, an eye witness (which would be shaky at best after 20 years), or an admission of guilt how can you prove that a rape occurred so long ago?
This post was edited on 9/8/23 at 8:31 am
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:38 am to Darth_Vader
Not sure why you are getting so emotional , Darth.
Rapists are frequently convicted without DNA evidence. It’s the norm. In this case there was corroborating evidence , multiple police reports, victim’s testimony, consistency across multiple victims of what occurred and the pattern of the offender, a sensible timeline, etc. they got this dude cold because he did it.
The fact that they could not verify them being drugged via toxicology reports is why he was never charged with that.
If your premise is that rape can not and should not result in a conviction without specific toxicology, than rape didn’t exist before about 20 years ago and the entire premise of victims testimony, police investigation, circumstantial evidence are irrelevant.
Rapists are frequently convicted without DNA evidence. It’s the norm. In this case there was corroborating evidence , multiple police reports, victim’s testimony, consistency across multiple victims of what occurred and the pattern of the offender, a sensible timeline, etc. they got this dude cold because he did it.
The fact that they could not verify them being drugged via toxicology reports is why he was never charged with that.
If your premise is that rape can not and should not result in a conviction without specific toxicology, than rape didn’t exist before about 20 years ago and the entire premise of victims testimony, police investigation, circumstantial evidence are irrelevant.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:39 am to Sam Quint
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i'm actually pretty astounded at the level to which this board, which is usually pretty rational, is jumping in on support of this conviction. if this is the standard for conviction, literally any one of us could be convicted of rape at any time.
You’ve just got on the point I’ve been trying to make. Pimp has decided to die on the hill of defending this conviction without thinking of the implications of the conviction. Anyone can make an allegation. In fact there are numerous examples of women making false allegations of rape.
Stanford University employee charged with making 2 false sexual assault allegations
Three men tried to take their own lives after false rape allegations made by 'fantasist' woman, 22, who lied about being the victim of an Asian grooming gang, court hears
WOMAN ARRESTED FOR FALSE RAPE CLAIM
Man imprisoned for 16 years after being falsely accused of rape is awarded $5.5m in settlement
The Buffalo Bills Cut Matt Araiza Over a Rape Accusation, but Key Evidence Vindicates Him
The links above are why it should require more than allegations to convict for rape. I’m not saying these women are lying any more than I’m saying Masterson didn’t rape them. What I am saying is WE DONT KNOW WHICH IS TRUE AND WHICH IS FALSE. . Anyone claiming they do is lying.
Like I’ve said, this Masterson guy might be guilty. I’d even go so far as to say he probably is guilty. But is “probably guilty” the standard we want to you when deciding to send a US citizen to prison for 30 years?
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:41 am to Lsupimp
People getting angry at this conviction fall into one or both of the following camps:
1. Groomers
2. Afraid their past questionable sexual acts will come back to haunt them
1. Groomers
2. Afraid their past questionable sexual acts will come back to haunt them
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:47 am to Damone
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People getting angry at this conviction fall into one or both of the following camps:
1. Groomers
2. Afraid their past questionable sexual acts will come back to haunt them
I'm sorry...but I have personal experience with false rape allegations. I had a Sailor who served under me a few years back. A "friend" of his accused him of rape. The two people who could have exonerated him refused to take sides because they knew the woman in question, saying it may or may not have happened.
Anyways...the process to administratively separate him from the Navy began automatically after the allegation was made and the charges were field. However, after several months, she dropped the allegations and the charges. Guy still ended up getting kicked out of the military.
I am VERY leery of a conviction based entirely on allegations.
This post was edited on 9/8/23 at 8:48 am
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:48 am to Darth_Vader
That’s false. I’m not dying on any hill , I’m just calmly telling you why he was convicted and why it’s not controversial. There was mountains of evidence against him. What there was not was toxicology reports. There is no requirement that there be toxicology reports in rape or murder to conclusively prove guilt. If there was, there would not be many murder or rape convictions. What they had was a MOUNTAIN of circumstantial evidence, police investigator reports and testimony, victim testimony, contemporaneous documentation, etc that allowed a jury to unanimously conclude he raped these women.
Also again, he was NOT charged or convicted of giving them any kind of drug to immobilize them specifically because there was no toxicology report. So you are conflating the two in your mind. He was only convicted of the rape, for which there was an avalanche of evidence.
No need to get angry, my man.
Also again, he was NOT charged or convicted of giving them any kind of drug to immobilize them specifically because there was no toxicology report. So you are conflating the two in your mind. He was only convicted of the rape, for which there was an avalanche of evidence.
No need to get angry, my man.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:48 am to Damone
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People getting angry at this conviction fall into one or both of the following camps:
1. Groomers
2. Afraid their past questionable sexual acts will come back to haunt them
hey look, a moron.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:50 am to Lsupimp
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He was only convicted of the rape, for which there was an avalanche of evidence.
What specifically was that evidence?
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:51 am to RollTide1987
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I'm sorry...but I have personal experience with false rape allegations. I had a Sailor who served under me a few years back. A "friend" of his accused him of rape. The two people who could have exonerated him refused to take sides because they knew the woman in question and initially refused to take a side, saying it may or may not have happened. Anyways...the process to administratively separate him from the Navy began automatically after the allegation was made and the charges were field. However, after several months, she dropped the allegations and the charges. Guy still ended up getting kicked out of the military. I am VERY leery of a conviction based entirely on allegations.
same. i had a Marine sergeant who ended up getting kicked out as well based on some very, very shaky allegations. same thing too - administratively separated because they know they couldn't get a conviction at court martial.
Damone's comment about those of us leery of this conviction is just a troll comment though and should be ignored.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:53 am to Lsupimp
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In this case there was corroborating evidence , multiple police reports, victim’s testimony, consistency across multiple victims of what occurred and the pattern of the offender, a sensible timeline, etc.
is that the case though? if it is, i agree with you - that could and should warrant a conviction. but i havent seen any articles or anything that actually show this to be the case. i have seen some stuff saying, in fact, that at least one of the victim's testimonies was NOT consistent. what are you reading about this? i'm genuinely asking.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:53 am to Darth_Vader
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What specifically was that evidence?
Lol. C’mon Darth. The trial testimony is public record . Don’t attempt to task me, just inform yourself.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 8:58 am to Lsupimp
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Lol. C’mon Darth. The trial testimony is public record . Don’t attempt to task me, just inform yourself.
So you’re not going to back up your claim of “mountains” of evidence? You’re the one claiming “mountains” of evidence. It’s not up to me to back up your claim. I asked you to back up your claim. Either you will or you won’t. But it’s your claim, not mine.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:01 am to Sam Quint
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is that the case though? if it is, i agree with you - that could and should warrant a conviction. but i havent seen any articles or anything that actually show this to be the case. i have seen some stuff saying, in fact, that at least one of the victim's testimonies was NOT consistent. what are you reading about this? i'm genuinely asking.
I’d like to know these things as well. So far all I have is what I’ve read here, which is noting more than allegations. I think chances are Masterson did it. But where’s the actual evidence?
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:02 am to Lsupimp
A trashy biker in mom jeans defending a rapist is the least surprising thing I've read on here all week.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:03 am to SuperSaint
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SuperSaint
At least, unlike you, I’ve never sucked cock in a prison cell for a crack rock. That’s far more trashy than I’ll ever be.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:04 am to Darth_Vader
That’s not how it works, Darth. One can simply google “ Danny Masterson trial transcripts “ or “ Danny Masterson victim testimony “ and read for hours. I’m not going to spoon feed you the trial testimony because you aren’t curious enough to know who and what you are defending, lol. Google, bro.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:07 am to Darth_Vader
Trying to carry the water for a convicted rapist is pretty darn trashy Baw
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:09 am to jatilen
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Danny Masterson
Couldn't have happened to a nicer Hollywood rapey cultist.
Posted on 9/8/23 at 9:09 am to Damone
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People getting angry at this conviction fall into one or both of the following camps: 1. Groomers 2. Afraid their past questionable sexual acts will come back to haunt them
Said the Biden voter
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