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Cumberland School of Law in Bham --- Any Thoughts?

Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:21 pm
Posted by Crimson1L
Fairhope
Member since Nov 2015
297 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:21 pm
Weighing my options and looking strongly at possibly enrolling into Cumberland law. Does anyone have any advice or stories to share about this school!

So..... what say you?'
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:23 pm to
Go to U of Alabama.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71211 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:25 pm to
Can't get into Bama, can you?

Unless you 100% want to go to law school and do nothing else with your life, don't go. Seriously. The job market is atrocious, law school is expensive, and it's a pretty soul crushing experience filled with terrible terrible people.
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:27 pm to
Doesn't LSU also teach common law? I know it's some urban myth that you can't practice out the state if you go there, but I'm sure that's BS. From what I understand, it's way easier to get into LSU than Bama because Bama is ranked a whole lot higher by USNWR.
Posted by TxTiger82
Member since Sep 2004
34329 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:28 pm to
Don't go to some no name school unless you already have connections and just need a degree.
Posted by BIGJLAW
Member since Mar 2013
9061 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:41 pm to
It was an option and I wouldn’t hesitate to take it.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71211 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:42 pm to
quote:

Doesn't LSU also teach common law?


They teach both. In the first year, you take the following common law classes:
Contracts I
Torts
Administration of Criminal Justice (mostly about illegal searches and rights to an attorney)
Constitutional Law
Civil Procedure I & 2

You also take the following Civil Law classes:
Obligations
Property
Criminal Law
Legal Traditions

After that, the only real required classes are Evidence (teaches both Federal and Louisiana) and Legal Professions (teaches the MPRE exam). You can take all common law classes after that if you want.

quote:

From what I understand, it's way easier to get into LSU than Bama because Bama is ranked a whole lot higher by USNWR.


Absolutely true. LSU also has really cheap out of state tuition (relatively speaking) and is MUCH easier to get into for out of state students than in-state students (actually a major point of contention for alumni).

quote:

I know it's some urban myth that you can't practice out the state if you go there


It's mostly B.S., but there is some truth to it. LSU is one of the most rigorous law schools. Their hours requirement is far higher than any other law school AND their hours last an actual hour, not just 50 minutes like most law schools. That equates to an extra year's worth of class time. It's super competitive and there is ZERO grade inflation. If you get a 2.75, you're doing really well. Most other law schools give you a 3.0 as long as you show up and pay.

That means employers who aren't familiar with how LSU grades are often turned off by the low GPA's of LSU graduates. With that said, LSU has a reputation as being somewhat "exotic" due to our weird (but vastly superior) civil law system. Some folks love it, some don't. LSU law has a ton of alumni in Texas and overseas in the Civil Law world (France, Spain, and their former colonies), but not too many elsewhere in the U.S.

Where are you wanting to practice?
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 11:49 pm
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:47 pm to
Oh wow, that was informative. I'm wanting to stay in NYC. I'm applying to a few schools but Fordham is my reasonable goal. I'm above their median GPA wise, just need to get that LSAT out the park. I'm taking the LSAT next month. Been doing practice exams and have been PTing in the 165-168 range, but that might go to shite on the real exam. We'll see.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71211 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:48 pm to
quote:

Bama is ranked a whole lot higher by USNWR


This is true. LSU has a whole lot going against it for those rankings. There are a lot of metrics that go into those reports like starting salaries for graduates, graduation rates, bar passage rates, endowment, and reputation. LSU Law still fails a lot of people, the Louisiana Bar exam is still the toughest in the nation (which hurts our bar passage rate), Louisiana doesn't rank that high for pay for graduates, our endowment is crap (because alumni of the older "weed out" decades of the law school hate the place), and our University President (for the whole campus, not just the law school) F. King Alexander made some incredible moronic statements in the media basically stating that the University would go into financial exigency (bankruptcy) if the
state legislature cut higher ed by the worst case scenario. All of that was a complete bold-faced lie, but the media ran with it and it caused LSU (and LSU law's) ratings to collapse overnight.
Posted by Chisholm
Member since Nov 2017
94 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:51 pm to
Go to Southern. A lot of their grads are here. Seems like they just dick around on the Internet all day, so maybe it will work out.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71211 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:52 pm to
quote:

Oh wow, that was informative. I'm wanting to stay in NYC. I'm applying to a few schools but Fordham is my reasonable goal. I'm above their median GPA wise, just need to get that LSAT out the park. I'm taking the LSAT next month. Been doing practice exams and have been PTing in the 165-168 range, but that might go to shite on the real exam. We'll see.


That's about where I was testing on the practice ones and I got a 156 on the real thing, which as an in-state student was enough to get a partial scholly to LSU. If you want to practice in New York, it might not be the best option, but the professor who heads up the externship program is from New York and has connections up there. He's gotten more than a few students jobs in the DA and PD offices up there. He also has a friend who's a judge up in White Plains who occasionally hires clerks from down here.

If you're interested in practicing up there, patent law may be a good thing to specialize in. Professor Lockridge at LSU is an excellent IP professor. You can study for and take the patent bar, travel to the annual patent bar career fair up in Chicago, and likely find a job that way.
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 11:55 pm
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 11/18/17 at 12:20 am to
I didn't mind BR, but I just moved back up here and I have no intention of moving south of Mason Dixon unless Cuomo/de Blasio do something absolutely stupid (which is possible).
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
71211 posts
Posted on 11/18/17 at 12:34 am to
I totally get it. I have a couple cousins in Brooklyn. One graduated Columbia Law last year. They love loving up there. I'd hate the winters, but I can see the appeal.
Posted by PrideofTheSEC
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2012
5276 posts
Posted on 11/18/17 at 1:25 am to
Go wherever you get the most money with the least amount of restrictions on your scholarship. I regret going to LSU and going into 100k of debt when I couldve gone to Ole Miss on a 90% Scholly,or Miss college and Cumberland on a full ride. For someone that just wants to work at a small firm and not super competitive about grades, LSU was a bad choice for me. Only benefit, I guess, is I'm confident about the bar exam.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85576 posts
Posted on 11/18/17 at 1:33 am to
quote:

what say you?'

The legal job market is beyond saturated. It doesn’t need you. Do something else.
Posted by SCLibertarian
Conway, South Carolina
Member since Aug 2013
42697 posts
Posted on 11/18/17 at 6:03 am to
If I could do it over again, I wouldn't go to law school. The cost is outrageous and the market is already oversaturated with lawyers. Plus, 80% of my law school class were terrible human beings.
Posted by dirtsandwich
AL
Member since May 2016
7482 posts
Posted on 11/18/17 at 7:05 am to
Why do you want to go to law school? If you want to practice in NY, I wouldn’t recommend Cumberland. Good scholarship?

I’m familiar with Fordham Law as well and was on its campus three weeks ago. Good luck.

And contrary to other’s experience, I did better on the actual LSAT than the practice exams.
Posted by dirtsandwich
AL
Member since May 2016
7482 posts
Posted on 11/18/17 at 7:06 am to
Just realized I confused posters. Happy to talk about Cumberland off line if interested in my thoughts. I didn’t go there but am very familiar with it.
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