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re: Could almost anyone born after 1940 fight in WWI

Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:26 pm to
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:26 pm to
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And you don’t think that they did?



No, I don't. The British and French entered into a war of choice with Germany. While Hitler declared war on the United States, it's important to remember that Britain and France declared war on Germany. They gambled that a war with Germany was worth the risk to prevent the emergence of Germany as the first rate power on the mainland continent. The war was fought over long-standing British foreign policy theory regarding the maintenance of a favorable power balance and the prevention of Germany from attaining enough geopolitical power to threaten their hegemonic rule over regional and global affairs. Neither Britain nor France expected the cataclysmic defeat in May/June 1940. Nor did the Germans for that matter.

Had Britain and France opted either to remain neutral in Germany's war with Poland or to have reached a settlement following the collapse of France, it's quite likely that order in Western Europe would have remained. The problem was that such an order would have established Germany as the preeminent continental power in Europe and this would have constituted a complete reversal of the post-WWI status quo and a colossal loss of face and prestige on the part of the British. This was seen as intolerable in foreign policy circles in both empires.
This post was edited on 12/6/17 at 1:36 pm
Posted by Parmen
Member since Apr 2016
18317 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:31 pm to
Coco, give a tl;dr next time. Also who are you to say who can or can’t fight in WWI?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/6/17 at 1:49 pm to
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Name one of them that have immigrated to the United States in such numbers and given more to our society.
The Chinese......Where are all the rape of Nanking memorials?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
120445 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 3:30 pm to
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Coco, give a tl;dr next time.


No prob, Dice:


Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 4:59 pm to
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No, I don't. The British and French entered into a war of choice with Germany. While Hitler declared war on the United States, it's important to remember that Britain and France declared war on Germany.


You would have to assume that Germany invading Poland was the extent of their aspirations. I think I’m hindsight we can see Hitler had much larger aspirations. I fail to see how Germany isn’t the aggressor. I know it all goes back to the environment created after WW1, but to expect Britain and France to not respond to a military aggressor in Germany is crazy.

Regardless, I could always learn more on the subject and I’m interested in your point of view. Any books you would recommend on the topic?
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17198 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:27 pm to
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Regardless, I could always learn more on the subject and I’m interested in your point of view. Any books you would recommend on the topic?


I literally just boxed all my books up to move.

Off memory, The Origins of the Second World War by A.J. P. Taylor. Hitler, Churchill, and the Unnecessary War by Pat Buchanan. Freedom Betrayed by Herbert Hoover. Hitler by John Toland.

Also a great DVD series that was put out by PBS, WWII: Behind Closed Doors.

That along with the references you can get from those books should be enough to keep you busy for awhile.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17198 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:33 pm to
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I think I’m hindsight we can see Hitler had much larger aspirations


Hitler actually laid his ambitions out pretty clearly in Mein Kampf and public speeches. He wanted the return of all German lands to Germany and to expand Germany's empire East so as to secure food and land for German expansion. Germany's vulnerability to blockade and economic and literal starvation convinced Hitler that this was Germany's only means to political freedom on the continent.
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I fail to see how Germany isn’t the aggressor. I know it all goes back to the environment created after WW1, but to expect Britain and France to not respond to a military aggressor in Germany is crazy.


Well Germany was absolutely the aggressor in the war with Poland. There's more to the German-Pilish conflict than that though.

And there are lots of aggressor states in the world and Europe in that timeframe, and France and Britain didn't go to war with them over regional conflicts with other states. The USSR comes to mind.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:35 pm to
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I think I’m hindsight we can see Hitler had much larger aspirations.


If you read Mein Kampf, we should have realized it long before.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 12/6/17 at 5:40 pm to


The one by Buchanon seems like the most controversial... I’ll check it out
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