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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:18 am to rds dc
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:18 am to rds dc
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CDC just released the Flu deaths for 2020.
FLU= 22,000
Coronavirus= 116
I know y'all don't value human life, but none of those 116 people could have died from COVID19 just a few months ago.
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BREAKING: The number of confirmed cases in New York has risen 1,008 in one day. A hospital ship with 1,000 beds is being dispatched to New York.
The new total is 2,382.
you're responding to a mouth breather who thinks the earth is 5000 years old
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 11:19 am
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Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:20 am to rds dc
China Bought All Masks In January
"China did not just stop selling masks — it also bought up much of the rest of the world’s supply. ... On Jan. 30, the last day for which data is available, China managed to import 20 million respirators and surgical masks in just 24 hours."
We need the world to diversify out of China.
"China did not just stop selling masks — it also bought up much of the rest of the world’s supply. ... On Jan. 30, the last day for which data is available, China managed to import 20 million respirators and surgical masks in just 24 hours."
We need the world to diversify out of China.
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:21 am to frankthetank
Bloomberg link
Italy's national health authority just published a study showing 99% of their deaths were patients who had other illnesses at the time.
Almost half had at least 3 prior illnesses.
Almost all of the deaths were aged 70-90.
So 2% have died and 99% of those were elderly with prior illnesses.
So we have a virus that in the worst case country so far kills .02% of healthy non-elderly victims.
We would be better off absorbing the blow to the hospital system.
Italy's national health authority just published a study showing 99% of their deaths were patients who had other illnesses at the time.
Almost half had at least 3 prior illnesses.
Almost all of the deaths were aged 70-90.
So 2% have died and 99% of those were elderly with prior illnesses.
So we have a virus that in the worst case country so far kills .02% of healthy non-elderly victims.
We would be better off absorbing the blow to the hospital system.
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 11:29 am
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:25 am to lsu13lsu
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We need the world to diversify out of China.
Tucker Carlson talked about this about a week ago. Here's the problem: companies aren't going to do this without passing the cost of doing business in other countries along to consumers.
Many years ago, all New Balance shoes were made in America. Now, the vast majority of New Balance shoes are made in relatively impoverished countries with little regulation. If you want a New Balance sneaker that is 100% made in the U.S.A. you're going to pay upwards of $250. The average working Joe or Jane can't afford to spend that much on one pair of sneakers much less multiple if they have kids.
The only way to stop goods from being manufactured in China is to heavily regulate various industries... something most OT'ers are rabidly against because 'muh socialism.'
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:27 am to uway
Then what is this that they are discussing in the White House address right now about over half of Italy/France/Spain's ICU cases being healthy people under 50?
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:28 am to uway
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We would be better off absorbing the blow to the hospital system.
Imagine a glass filled 70% to capacity with water. Now keep pouring water into it... all the shite that spills out = potential collateral fatalities. It doesn't matter WHAT overloads the health care system, only that it would be overloaded.
Edit: To elaborate. The morbidity rate is not the sole issue to be concerned about regarding the virus. Beds will still be taken up by people getting sick. Beds that need to be available to people who are afflicted with other non-virus related illnesses, accidents, etc.
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 11:32 am
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:29 am to S1C EM
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Then what is this that they are discussing in the White House address right now about over half of Italy/France/Spain's ICU cases being healthy people under 50?
That certainly doesn't jive with the numbers in that article.
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:32 am to S1C EM
Idk because that’s not being reported by any outlets
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:32 am to Unknown_Poster
Yes, but you also don't have the enormous cost of what is happening now.
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:35 am to Unknown_Poster
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Imagine a glass filled 70% to capacity with water. Now keep pouring water into it... all the shite that spills out = potential collateral fatalities. It doesn't matter WHAT overloads the health care system, only that it would be overloaded.
Edit: To elaborate. The morbidity rate is not the sole issue to be concerned about regarding the virus. Beds will still be taken up by people getting sick. Beds that need to be available to people who are afflicted with other non-virus related illnesses, accidents, etc.
I completely understand. If there is a short term action we can take to prevent that, we should do that.
If to prevent that we need to shut down the world for months, we should hope for the best and trust that human ingenuity will come up with ways to combat the hospital overruns while the world turns.
Again, this is based on evidence that the virus is almost exclusively deadly to sick and elderly people, and about 2% of total victims. If it mutates and starts killing healthy 40 year olds and 50% of victims, then all bets are off and you better have some ammo and ability to feed your family without help.
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 11:36 am
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:36 am to lsu13lsu
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Yes, but you also don't have the enormous cost of what is happening now.
No, you just potentially replace it with the cost of people not having access to health care, the virus continuing to spread, and prolonged economic uncertainty.
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:38 am to Unknown_Poster
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No, you just potentially replace it with the cost of people not having access to health care, the virus continuing to spread, and prolonged economic uncertainty.
Do you have bills to pay and mouths to feed and work in the private, for-profit sector?
If so, you should know that economic "uncertainty" isn't the problem. We can be absolutely certain of economic disaster if these actions last too long or go more extreme.
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:40 am to uway
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That certainly doesn't jive with the numbers in that article.
Correct, but they just tried to explain it in the conference. Said they can only guess that maybe the elderly are staying in and Millenials keep going out and gathering in groups which is driving their number up. Still rare, but a larger sample size now. That still doesn't really jive with "50%".
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:43 am to S1C EM
Interesting
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More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.
After deaths from the virus reached more than 2,500, with a 150% increase in the past week, health authorities have been combing through data to provide clues to help combat the spread of the disease.
Prime Minister Giuseppe Conte’s government is evaluating whether to extend a nationwide lockdown beyond the beginning of April, daily La Stampa reported Wednesday. Italy has more than 31,500 confirmed cases of the illness.
MSN
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:45 am to S1C EM
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Then what is this that they are discussing in the White House address right now about over half of Italy/France/Spain's ICU cases being healthy people under 50?
Well, the Bloomberg report was very encouraging about the MORTALITY of the virus in young healthy people. But it's still possible that a larger number than expected of those young healthy people got really sick, needed ICU care for a long time, and then lived/recovered. To me, that is the great unknown. Deaths are very easy to plot on paper, degrees of illness and longevity/types of recoveries are not
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:50 am to OldManRiver
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But it's still possible that a larger number than expected of those young healthy people got really sick, needed ICU care for a long time
This is the problem.
We are looking at statistics from a healthcare system that isn’t overwhelmed.
Those young patients that are surviving in the ICU, how are they going to do when we are out of ventilators.
That’s the key to this entire issue. If we had enough ventilators for everyone this isn’t such an issue. That’s why it’s not the flu, all the cases can come at once because no one has ever gotten this before. We keep saying this, but every other post is... “look at the current numbers, why are we shutting down”
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:55 am to WaWaWeeWa
Well if that was the case wouldn’t we see more deaths in Italy from the 30-50? They were definitely overwhelmed.
Posted on 3/18/20 at 11:56 am to Unknown_Poster
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No, you just potentially replace it with the cost of people not having access to health care, the virus continuing to spread, and prolonged economic uncertainty.
No clue how this response is in line with our conversation about diversifying manufacturing out of china.
Posted on 3/18/20 at 12:02 pm to lsu13lsu
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"China did not just stop selling masks — it also bought up much of the rest of the world’s supply. ... On Jan. 30, the last day for which data is available, China managed to import 20 million respirators and surgical masks in just 24 hours."
The funny thing is the medical field is blaming Americans for buying up the supplies. They are disparaging anyone who was preparing. It was China (and likely other earlier hit countries) buying the stuff up.
This post was edited on 3/18/20 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 3/18/20 at 12:05 pm to Unknown_Poster
I think shoes and clothes are a bad example to use since those industries require a lot of manual labor and are pretty resilient to automation. In my opinion, they’ll always be made in countries with inexpensive labor.
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