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re: Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) ***W.H.O. DECLARES A GLOBAL PANDEMIC***
Posted on 2/25/20 at 5:15 pm to Spaceman Spiff
Posted on 2/25/20 at 5:15 pm to Spaceman Spiff
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So, is it true the corona only killed like 2700 and the flu in the US alone this season has killed some 14,000? And tell me why we are supposed to be quaking in our boots ?
There are some great vacation packages for china right now. South Korea too. Don't let our fear monger stop you from enjoying life. I'll drive you to the airport. Free of charge.
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Posted on 2/25/20 at 5:16 pm to crazyLSUstudent
N95 masks are hot as frick and miserable to wear.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 5:16 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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How were we able to prevent an outbreak in Jan and most of feb?
It’s much easier to identify cases when it essentially only occurred in people with a travel history to China. Now there are multiple countries with outbreaks. It’ll be harder to identify cases early enough to prevent significant spread.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 5:39 pm to Poker_hog
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Why would something with a 0.025% mortality rate disrupt your life? I haven’t seen anything suggesting a mortality rate in that neighborhood for this virus.
Only in this thread will you find people (the usual suspects) who think covid-19 and 3,000 deaths worldwide was worse than swine flue and 10,000 deaths in the US alone.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 5:42 pm to DollaChoppa
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No it’s not true. US groups all pneumonia deaths in with flu deaths so it’s misleading and a propaganda campaign by WHO to get people to get their flu shots (granted I think this is a good idea and way to minimize the flus impact, unfortunately now we have a situation where for some reason people need to discredit another deadly virus by comparison)
What do you think is killing people with Covid-19?
Pneumonia. Shocker, I know.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 5:49 pm to slackster
Sure, I'm sure some of those deaths are from pneumonia
Posted on 2/25/20 at 5:53 pm to Bullfrog
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The virus only causes a problem if you eat pork.
Looks like I picked a bad time to start Keto.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:00 pm to DollaChoppa
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Sure, I'm sure some of those deaths are from pneumonia
I'd wager the majority of COVID-19 deaths ultimately die of pneumonia. That's kind of the way respiratory infections typically work.
Fwiw, you're right about how the CDC estimates influenza deaths, sort of. They don't classify all pneumonia deaths as the flu.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:07 pm to slackster
LINK
So what does everyone make of this? First glance that would worry me.
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ne of the hopes of people watching China’s coronavirus outbreak was that the alarming picture of its lethality is probably exaggerated because a lot of mild cases are likely being missed.
But on Tuesday, a World Health Organization expert suggested that does not appear to be the case. Bruce Aylward, who led an international mission to China to learn about the virus and China’s response, said the specialists did not see evidence that a large number of mild cases of the novel disease called Covid-19 are evading detection.
“So I know everybody’s been out there saying, ‘Whoa, this thing is spreading everywhere and we just can’t see it, tip of the iceberg.’ But the data that we do have don’t support that,” Aylward said during a briefing for journalists at WHO’s Geneva headquarters.
So what does everyone make of this? First glance that would worry me.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:09 pm to WaWaWeeWa
I almost died of Swine. This was horrible to go through, while living alone, and EMS had to save me from my Condo. When I found out it was swine I was able to move with my mom to recoup. I can’t imagine anything worse than that besides this. I was 21 and very healthy and I strugggled. So this is really a big issue. I highly suggest protecting yourself friends and family by using proper sanitation techniques such as Hand Sanitizer and never eating until you wash your hands.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:10 pm to Burhead
So...bad news that death rate is around 2%, or good news that it may not be as contagious as we first thought?
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:26 pm to slackster
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I'd wager the majority of COVID-19 deaths ultimately die of pneumonia. That's kind of the way respiratory infections typically work.
Not really. COVID-19 is causing ARDS at much much higher rates than the flu. Either infection can result in a secondary bacterial pneumonia, but ARDS is the more serious diagnosis, it’s 50/50 survival.
I don’t know why some of you are in denial over this. The data is pretty clear so far.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:28 pm to tiger turney
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So...bad news that death rate is around 2%, or good news that it may not be as contagious as we first thought?
Death rate is still lower than 2% - sounds like they found cases elsewhere, just not enough to say they're missing most of them.
I still find it interesting that more than half of the cruise cases were asymptomatic. I'm wondering if that's with their "margin of error", for lack of a better word. Is catching half the cases at clinics to he expected?
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:38 pm to GeauxLSUGRL
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I can’t imagine anything worse than that besides this. I was 21 and very healthy and I strugggled. So this is really a big issue.
The weird thing about the swine flu was that younger adults were a higher percentage of deaths. The theory was the seniors had some level of immunity due to exposure from flu strains from the 50s.
Article source
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Fwiw, you're right about how the CDC estimates influenza deaths, sort of. They don't classify all pneumonia deaths as the flu.
Italy is taking a similar tack.
LINK - translated by Chrome
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: "In Italy died 'with' the virus not 'for' the virus"
To date, deaths in Italy concern people who died 'with' coronavirus and not 'for' coronavirus, we cannot forget the previous health history of the victims. Coronavirus has aggravated pre-existing conditions ". Thus Giuseppe Ippolito, scientific director of the Spallanzani Institute of Infectious Diseases, during the Porta a Porta transmission, referring to the fact that the deaths concerned the elderly with other pre-existing serious diseases.
I think the lowest age for the Italian victims has been 76 years old and they are saying that they ALL had prior pathologies (i.e. had medical conditions):
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Borrelli: "All the deceased had previous pathologies"
"At 6pm we recorded 229 people infected. Of these, six died and one was discharged." This was stated by the head of the Civil Protection department, and commissioner for the Coronavirus emergency, Angelo Borrelli, who confirmed that all the victims had pathologies previous to the virus.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 6:46 pm
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:40 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Not really. COVID-19 is causing ARDS at much much higher rates than the flu. Either infection can result in a secondary bacterial pneumonia, but ARDS is the more serious diagnosis, it’s 50/50 survival.
I don’t know why some of you are in denial over this. The data is pretty clear so far.
Link?
To be clear, are you suggesting pneumonia is not the primary killer with COVID-19?
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:42 pm to slackster
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sounds like they found cases elsewhere, just not enough to say they're missing most of them.
I think someone else said that they got that info from tests in other provinces; but I thought China focused their testing on Hubei province (and even then had difficulty keeping up with testing).
I mean, wasn't the reason for the 1st change in diagnosis - to including the clinically diagnosed cases - to get over the testing hump?
Also, we got the following statement in the opening remarks from the head of the WHO yesterday:
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They found that the fatality rate is between 2% and 4% in Wuhan, and 0.7% outside Wuhan.
Source
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:51 pm to bbrownso
Coronavirus is quickly becoming a political talking point in America based on the national news tonight. Shocker - Trump is going to be taking a ton of heat.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:53 pm to bbrownso
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I think the lowest age for the Italian victims has been 76 years old and they are saying that they ALL had prior pathologies (i.e. had medical conditions):
You don't get to a certain age without having some kind of preexisting condition. Even if an individual has little to fear personally nearly everyone has older friends and family in the higher risk category.
Posted on 2/25/20 at 6:57 pm to slackster
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Only in this thread will you find people (the usual suspects) who think covid-19 and 3,000 deaths worldwide was worse than swine flue and 10,000 deaths in the US alone.
You talk as if it’s over. How many people did the swine flu kill in the first 3 months?
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 7:13 pm
Posted on 2/25/20 at 7:10 pm to slackster
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Link? To be clear, are you suggesting pneumonia is not the primary killer with COVID-19?
First of all, what type of pneumonia are you talking about? A secondary bacterial pneumonia? Or viral pneumonia?
Both the flu and COVID-19 can cause the same problems. COVID-19 at much higher rates.
This post was edited on 2/25/20 at 7:12 pm
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