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re: Cornell University Situation Is Going To Turn Into Another Duke Lacrosse Case Isn't It?
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:03 am to SaintsForever83
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:03 am to SaintsForever83
I haven't followed this too closely but my takeaway is it's become like every other battle in the culture war, with both sides locking into the narrative that fits their ideological position, regardless of what the facts are.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:04 am to Jim Rockford
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regardless of what the facts are.
The facts are pretty bad for the girl in this one. Shouldn't be anything ideological about it.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:13 am to LNCHBOX
I would say the facts don't look good for anybody involved. Even if there was no crime these guys moral character and judgment was extremely questionable. If my kid decided it was acceptable to get shitfaced and engage in a gangbang I would consider myself to have failed in my parenting.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:13 am to WildManGoose
Thank you. Yes. I think what makes rape challenging is that people tend to analyze the alleged victim’s state of mind rather than the alleged aggressor’s. No one ask the victim of any other type of crime whether they invited it. Legally, whether a robbery occurred doesn’t depend on whether the victim was walking through a bad neighborhood.
This is because alleged victim’s intent is not what makes a crime. The prosecution has to prove that the alleged aggressor committed the act and had the intent to commit it. The victim’s statement here is important, but I think more important are the statements and actions taken by males 3-7. That is where the Snap Chat comes in. Did they know she was drunk and high when they came in? Did 5 guys in a room leave her under the impression that she had to consent to sex with someone? None of us know these things.
So, I defer to my original post on page 2 of this thread. This is not a Duke lacrosse situation. The Snap Chat exposes these guys criminal liability. The fact that the university issued different punishments to different men, including expulsion, indicates that serious misconduct occurred.
This is because alleged victim’s intent is not what makes a crime. The prosecution has to prove that the alleged aggressor committed the act and had the intent to commit it. The victim’s statement here is important, but I think more important are the statements and actions taken by males 3-7. That is where the Snap Chat comes in. Did they know she was drunk and high when they came in? Did 5 guys in a room leave her under the impression that she had to consent to sex with someone? None of us know these things.
So, I defer to my original post on page 2 of this thread. This is not a Duke lacrosse situation. The Snap Chat exposes these guys criminal liability. The fact that the university issued different punishments to different men, including expulsion, indicates that serious misconduct occurred.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:16 am to Jim Rockford
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I would say the facts don't look good for anybody involved. Even if there was no crime these guys moral character and judgment was extremely questionable.
Thought you said you haven't followed too closely
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:19 am to Jim Rockford
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I would say the facts don't look good for anybody involved. Even if there was no crime these guys moral character and judgment was extremely questionable. If my kid decided it was acceptable to get shitfaced and engage in a gangbang I would consider myself to have failed in my parenting.
It's funny how LNCH downvotes anyone who questions the guys character. Dude is as bad as the men hating women taking to social media.
And when I say funny, I mean funny in a sad and pathetic way not funny as in humorous.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:21 am to LNCHBOX
This is probably the best breakdown of the whole situation from her very own words:
Oh and now that it is out there in mainstream reports, this is ALLEGEDLY her:
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By her own sworn statement in November 2024, Jane Doe never claimed that FratBoy5 and FratBoy6 did anything.
According to his attorney, Fratboy5 did not use drugs or even see Jane naked. He even submitted a hair follicle test that was negative for ketamine.
Walking into a room after a consensual threesome does not constitute gang rape.
FratBoy1 was involved in the first consensual threesome with FratBoy2.
Jane had gone to the frat house because she was interested in FratBoy1 and admits she was excited when he suggested a threesome.
Jane Doe rated her intoxication as a 5 or 6 at this point.
All three of them snorted ketamine.
This threesome stopped because Fratboy1 passed out and she wanted Fratboy2 to check on him.
FratBoy2 also began dry heaving.
Jane then opened the door for FratBoy4 since it was his room.
They began making out and then FratBoy2 joined in and it became the second consensual threesome.
At one point FratBoy1 woke up and asked if he could make it a foursome, but Jane said "hell no" and he did not get involved.
FratBoys 4,5,6 and 7 then entered. She claims she hid under the covers
Fratboy7 said something “very rude and mean,” apologized and then grabbed her face and started kissing her. She indicated that she pulled away.
Fratboy2 then offered her more ketamine and she snorted it off his penis.
Fratboy4 suggested snorting ketamine off her body and did so.
Fratboy3 then returned and told everyone to get out of his room.
Jane then went upstairs with FratBoy1 and FratBoy 4, did more ketamine, and then had a third threesome. She rated her intoxication as a 7 or 8.
The next day, she did not tell her roommates she was gang raped. Roommates later told investigators she recounted the night in a way that seemed shocked or even laughing.
Jane asked FratBoy1 to hang out again, but without the ketamine or other frat boys.
Rumors spread around the school, and Jane was eventually disinvited from the Halloween Party.
On November 8th, she went to the police.
The District Attorney's reading of her sworn statement was that it described drug use and sexual conduct as voluntary, conscious, and consensual, and that sexual activity stopped when she asked.
Her claims in the civil suit completely contradict her sworn statement from November 2024.
The defamation suits that arise from this case will be record-setting.
Oh and now that it is out there in mainstream reports, this is ALLEGEDLY her:
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:22 am to bulletprooftiger
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The victim’s statement here is important, but I think more important are the statements and actions taken by males 3-7.
Agreed. It's been proven and commonly repeated her statements are inconsistent and hazy at best but it will be interesting to see how similar and consistent the statements are from the other 7 plus anyone else who may have been in contact with the 7.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:22 am to LSUfan4444
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It's funny how LNCH downvotes anyone who questions the guys character. Dude is as bad as the men hating women taking to social media.
And when I say funny, I mean funny in a sad and pathetic way not funny as in humorous.
I find your bleeding more funny and pathetic
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:23 am to LSUfan4444
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It's been proven and commonly repeated her statements are inconsistent and hazy at best
I mean, that's just an epic spin job. A better description is that she had zero problem with what happened until she was shamed.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:24 am to LSUfan4444
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It's been proven and commonly repeated her statements are inconsistent and hazy
lol
We have seen her statements and this is a lie
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:25 am to Fun Bunch
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lol
We have seen her statements and this is a lie
You're just an unhumorous, women-hating man, obviously
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:26 am to Fun Bunch
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We have seen her statements and this is a lie
1 - no you haven't. You have seen reports of her statement and a DA's account. You have not seen her statement. This is a lie
2 - what about what I said was a lie?
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:26 am to LNCHBOX
Is the “victim” black?
Doubt it
Why are we comparing this to duke lacrosse? That was way more about race than believe all women
Doubt it
Why are we comparing this to duke lacrosse? That was way more about race than believe all women
This post was edited on 10/2/26 at 8:28 am
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:27 am to LNCHBOX
I try to look at facts. I try hard not to prejudge things and take it all in before drawing conclusions.
I will admit that there have been so many of these hoaxes that I am predisposed to not believe the women, but I still just look at it all
And this one is so egregious that even freaking Sunny Hostin from the View is siding with the guys. Think about that
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:27 am to AGGIES
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I’m not raising my boys to take advantage of girls who are not coherent. That’s an immorality that is part of this conversation.
Agree but she said the first two guys were more intoxicated than she was. Did she "rape" them?
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:28 am to LSUfan4444
There was nothing "Hazy" about her statements. In fact she was rather adamant that the guys were drunker than she was. She was pretty detailed in the goings on down to snorting ketamine off of cocks
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:28 am to Fun Bunch
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And this one is so egregious that even freaking Sunny Hostin from the View is siding with the guys. Think about that
This really should end this whole fiasco, but some of the knights are dug in too deep
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:29 am to dalefla
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Agree but she said the first two guys were more intoxicated than she was. Did she "rape" them?
Yes, she did, and they are actually alleging that now.
Posted on 10/2/26 at 8:29 am to LNCHBOX
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A better description is that she had zero problem with what happened until she was shamed.
Thats not all what the documents from Cornell's Title IX investigation state.
In the days after she said it was illegal (via text), she never said she had zero problem with it. You're just making shite up. It's sad.
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