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re: Cop shoots drunk disorderly fireman who should have complied

Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:58 am to
Posted by tankyank13
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 9:58 am to
Okay then, I'm down with his arse getting shot
Posted by djangochained
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:00 am to
Damn
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:01 am to
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I was just answering the question that was asked.

It is like talking about softball players winning the mlb home-run derby in a thread about something very different.
Touche' my friend, touche'
Posted by jbgleason
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:01 am to
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this officer did everything he could possibly do. Hell, he probably should have been more aggressive from the beginning actually


Therein lies the issue. Police goes hard on someone right away to avoid getting into this position and everyone freaks out with POLICE BRUTALITY. He plays nice and things get to a critical point, everyone says WHY DIDNT HE DO SOMETHING SOONER? Bad situation to be in.

There is a point DURING A LAWFUL ARREST when resistance needs to be dealt with quickly and with aggression. This would have been an ideal situation for a Taser, OC or baton. When the officer couldn't get him cuffed, prior to going to the ground, he could have made distance and gone to town.
Posted by Camp Randall
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:01 am to
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Thread title makes it seem like a cop shot an on duty fireman attempting to put out a fire. Instead of was a drunk off duty fireman who was trying to beat the shite out of a cop.


Not to open old wounds but typical...like Jefferson beating up a Marine, when actually the Marine was just another typical drunk un-uniformed douchebag in a college bar.
Posted by rcd0808
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:04 am to
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Not to open old wounds but typical...like Jefferson beating up a Marine, when actually the Marine was just another typical drunk un-uniformed douchebag in a college bar.






The two situations couldn't be more different.
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:04 am to
It sounds like the shots came too quickly after the drunk got the upper hand, but if that little nerd filming to try and catch him some police brutality had instead answered the cop's request for assistance, he would probably have saved a life and been lauded a hero.

I understand the danger, but 2 against 1 with your "partner" having training and a weapon, and the other guy inebriated, I think I'm offering some assistance.

I was ready to the cop going by the title, but when the drunk starts pounding his face, the cop made the right call.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:06 am to
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Therein lies the issue. Police goes hard on someone right away to avoid getting into this position and everyone freaks out with POLICE BRUTALITY. He plays nice and things get to a critical point, everyone says WHY DIDNT HE DO SOMETHING SOONER? Bad situation to be in.

There is a point DURING A LAWFUL ARREST when resistance needs to be dealt with quickly and with aggression. This would have been an ideal situation for a Taser, OC or baton. When the officer couldn't get him cuffed, prior to going to the ground, he could have made distance and gone to town.
Yes, cops can be put into extremely tough circumstances. But the once from yesterday where it is 5 on 1 is no excuse
Posted by rsbd
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:07 am to
If the dead guy was black the cop would be in jail now..
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:08 am to
I seriously doubt that.
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:09 am to
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Thread title makes it seem like a cop shot an on duty fireman attempting to put out a fire. Instead of was a drunk off duty fireman who was trying to beat the shite out of AN OFFDUTY COP WORKING PRIVATE SECURITY FOR A PRIVATE HOTEL IN HIS UNIFORM.



who then ran away from the hotel to track this guy down on the street.

if you're gonna lick boot, at least know which one to lick.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 10:13 am
Posted by kstigers
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:12 am to
This is nuts seeing this here, I actually went to high school with the firefighter that got killed. He was a few years older than me. I guess he had just gotten married the day before this happened too
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:12 am to
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who then ran away from the hotel to track this guy down on the street.

if you're gonna lick boot, at least know which one to lick.
Get out of here man. Nobody is licking boots in this thread
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:13 am to
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This is nuts seeing this here, I actually went to high school with the firefighter that got killed. He was a few years older than me. I guess he had just gotten married the day before this happened too
I feel terrible he died, it just shows how dangerous drinking can be.
Posted by kstigers
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:14 am to
It does, he was always a nice enough guy, but definitely a hot head and had that crazy italian temper
Posted by CptBengal
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:15 am to
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Get out of here man. Nobody is licking boots in this thread



Cop was wearing his police uniform, offduty, while working private security for a private business.

None of that I really have a problem with. But he was certainly not a "cop" at the time of the shooting.

He was a damn security guard wearing a costume.
Posted by rcd0808
Member since Jun 2013
876 posts
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:16 am to
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AN OFFDUTY COP WORKING PRIVATE SECURITY FOR A PRIVATE HOTEL IN HIS UNIFORM.

quote:

who then ran away from the hotel to track this guy down on the street.

if you're gonna lick boot, at least know which one to lick.



WTF does that have to do with anything?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104858 posts
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:17 am to
quote:

Cop was wearing his police uniform, offduty, while working private security for a private business.

None of that I really have a problem with. But he was certainly not a "cop" at the time of the shooting.

He was a damn security guard wearing a costume.
Ok, great. He then tried to arrest a drunk, tried his best to do it in a civil manner, pleaded for help from a bystander in order to cuff the drunk, then fired his weapon when he was on his back getting his face and head bashed in.
Posted by Camp Randall
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:18 am to
The wormy little nerd behind the camera could have very well saved a life had he helped. I know hindsight is 20/20.
Posted by rcd0808
Member since Jun 2013
876 posts
Posted on 2/28/14 at 10:19 am to
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None of that I really have a problem with. But he was certainly not a "cop" at the time of the shooting.

He was a damn security guard wearing a costume.




You're a fricking idiot. He most certainly was a cop. Not that it has any bearing on the situation. It was self defense. No different than you getting your arse kicked and pulling a gun to defend yourself.

This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 10:20 am
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