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re: Cop shoots drunk disorderly fireman who should have complied
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:26 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
The knee to the had probably wasn't, and it escalated the incident from resistance to fighting.
They were already grappling on the ground and the suspect was pulling away from the officer. They were already fighting.
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Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:27 pm to Bleeding purple
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They were already grappling on the ground and the suspect was pulling away from the officer. They were already fighting.
Looked like he was resisting being cuffed. I wouldn't call that fighting. Watch it again. The guy is mildly resisting until then.
He turned on the cop when he got kneed in the head, but the shooting was justified.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:30 pm to lsupride87
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I dont think most people realize how freaking hard it is to subdue someone. It is hard as hell and physically exhausting. It actually is damn near impossible if the person is bigger than you
I am not a small person by any stretch and I can assure you even a much smaller person is impossible to subdue when you must not inflict pain. If they have one hand or foot free they will get loose. Complete control of all extremities requires more than one person or a full body embrace.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:30 pm to WDE24
quote:Do you think he should be held responsible for his miscalculation that resulted in a death?
I agree the knee to the head was a miscalculation. He was tired, was struggling and was looking for a way to get the suspect subdued and cuffed to end the incident. I don't necessarily think he should be blamed for the knee, but in retrospect it was a miscalculation on his part.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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He turned on the cop when he got kneed in the head, but the shooting was justified.
yea,the knee to the head was absurd. He used the gun because he had too, but it should have never escalated to that point
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:34 pm to VerlanderBEAST
The miscalculation was loosing control of the suspect.
Does anyone here think the cops should have just kept ineffectively trying to cuff the guy?
Does anyone here think the cops should have just kept ineffectively trying to cuff the guy?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:35 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:Not at all. His miscalculation didn't result in death, the guy beating him in the face and resisting arrest did. Your false logical leaps aren't persuasive.
Do you think he should be held responsible for his miscalculation that resulted in a death?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:37 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:
VerlanderBEAST
Your ignorance knows no boundaries.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:38 pm to Bleeding purple
quote:Sounds like a better option than getting pounded on until you have no choice than to kill the
Does anyone here think the cops should have just kept ineffectively trying to cuff the guy?
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:41 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:Are you trolling? Who could possibly believe he knowingly selected from these two choices?
Sounds like a better option than getting pounded on until you have no choice than to kill the
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 3:42 pm
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:41 pm to WDE24
quote:
His miscalculation didn't result in death, the guy beating him in the face and resisting arrest did.
The guy wasn't beating him in the face until the cop escalated the situation.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:43 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:And the cop didn't escalate the situation until trying other reasonable means to cuff the suspect.
The guy wasn't beating him in the face until the cop escalated the situation.
And the guy didn't get shot until he was pummeling the cop and breaking his face.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:45 pm to Bleeding purple
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Does anyone here think the cops should have just kept ineffectively trying to cuff the guy?
I don't know their procedure, but there's a progression the local PD uses. Usually if they meet resistance they call backup. I've seen the local cops deal with a suspect for a long time til help arrives.
All procedures must follow this. They are not allowed to use excessive force or treat the arrestee cruelly. They are generally allowed to use the minimum amount of force necessary to bring the arrestee into compliance. I'm assuming the crime committed will come into play as well.
From what I've seen this didn't look like felony resisting. I'm not sure the officer meant to knee the guy in the head either though.
Most officers carry pepper spray, not sure why he didn't try that.
This post was edited on 2/28/14 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:47 pm to WDE24
quote:
Are you trolling? Who could possibly believe he knowingly selected from these two choices?
What did he think was going to happen if he wasn't strong enough to cuff the guy? Did he think the guy was just going to then lay there and let him knee him in the head?
His actions took it from a guy resisting arrest to a life and death fight.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:49 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:That he would have to get more physical in order to get the guy to stop resisting.
What did he think was going to happen if he wasn't strong enough to cuff the guy?
quote:Wat? You make zero sense whatsoever.
Did he think the guy was just going to then lay there and let him knee him in the head?
quote:No, the guy resisting arrest and then punching an armed police officer in the face repeatedly did that.
His actions took it from a guy resisting arrest to a life and death fight.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:50 pm to WDE24
quote:
And the cop didn't escalate the situation until trying other reasonable means to cuff the suspect.
He could of kept doing what he was doing until backup arrived. There was no need to escalate the situation.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
I'm not sure the officer meant to knee the guy in the head either though
I agree with this, but figured no one else would see it that way so did not bring it up.
Looked to me like he tried to switch positions over the suspects head so he could control both arms with the head down and hopefully get him cuffed (not a position I would have taken). In the transition he landed his knee on the guys face.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:51 pm to VerlanderBEAST
Your position here is truly absurd.
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:51 pm to VerlanderBEAST
I'm not even sure the cop meant to knee the guy in the head
Posted on 2/28/14 at 3:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
I completely understand why the cop ended up firing his weapon. But why didn't he taze the guy, or use pepper spray first?
And did the cop ask the people filming to help him?
And did the cop ask the people filming to help him?
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