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re: Company hired to clean NOLA catch basins fired by City after less than 3 weeks

Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:10 pm to
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61801 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:10 pm to
This is a good thing overall.
Of course like any shitty political deal in the state, bad companies get hired all of the time.
At least this time, someone was actually paying attention and expecting some kind of results.

I bet two years ago if this contract had been awarded, none of the buffoons in city hall would have even followed up to see that the scope was being executed properly.
Posted by THRILLHO
Old Metairie near Cleary
Member since Apr 2006
50506 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:10 pm to
Don't know if it was in the past three weeks, but after the flooding someone posted a picture on this site of ~10 guys + one vacuum truck working on one catch basin. Obviously that resulted in about 8 guys standing around with their thumbs up their asses. That kind of inefficiency screams government, but it may have been this company. Does anyone here remember/have the picture?
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
111643 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:11 pm to
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I bet two years ago if this contract had been awarded, none of the buffoons in city hall would have even followed up to see that the scope was being executed properly.



What changed over the past two years? I'm not being flip, I'm genuinely curious as to why you're saying that.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
33146 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:12 pm to
Is there any maintenance that could occur to prevent having to spend $7 million to clear them?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
79874 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

Don't know if it was in the past three weeks, but after the flooding someone posted a picture on this site of ~10 guys + one vacuum truck working on one catch basin. Obviously that resulted in about 8 guys standing around with their thumbs up their asses. That kind of inefficiency screams government, but it may have been this company. Does anyone here remember/have the picture?


That isn't just government. The private sector is full of 6 layers of chiefs watching one Indian.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 12:12 pm
Posted by THRILLHO
Old Metairie near Cleary
Member since Apr 2006
50506 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:13 pm to
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What changed over the past two years?


Nothing, which is why I agree with previous posters that think that it really may be a kickback issue. It's sad that ATTEMPTING to rectify incompetence is enough cause for celebration in NOLA.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
139229 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:17 pm to
Since when has poor performance ever voided a NOLA city contract?
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61801 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:18 pm to
I just think there is so much pressure on the drainage and pumps issue, etc that the loons running things have no choice but to pay attention to things.

Before the Sewage and Water Board fiasco, the public didn't care and the people in charge were just their normal lazy selves.
This post was edited on 9/22/17 at 12:20 pm
Posted by THRILLHO
Old Metairie near Cleary
Member since Apr 2006
50506 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:19 pm to
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That isn't just government. The private sector is full of 6 layers of chiefs watching one Indian.



Yes, but I find that it's mostly private sector working on roads and other public bid projects. I spend a decent amount of time on commercial construction jobs and generally see all of the contract workers doing a decent to great job. They might do things incorrectly sometimes, but there's not a lot of farting around. The worst case I can think of was one GC overseeing one electrician for stretches at a time, but that was near the end of a project and there were other workers coming and going.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:20 pm to
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Since when has poor performance ever voided a NOLA city contract?

I remember when the Super Dome was being built, it was a was a bit of a joke with overruns, kick backs, and being behind schedule and whatnot
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70472 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:20 pm to
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It's sad that ATTEMPTING to rectify incompetence is enough cause for celebration in NOLA.





What is worse, this company may be legit, doing a good job.

But someone with hands in mitches pocket wants the money instead, and will get it.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:21 pm to
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A waste company needs to be told in a bid how to legally dispose of waste? Shouldn't they know this already?


I'm just relaying what the spokesman for Mitch said. The logistics were straightened out after awarding the bid. That seems a bit backwards.
Posted by THRILLHO
Old Metairie near Cleary
Member since Apr 2006
50506 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:22 pm to
quote:


What is worse, this company may be legit, doing a good job.

But someone with hands in mitches pocket wants the money instead, and will get it.


Agreed, but some of the info (like the # of trucks available) should be easily verifiable. Hopefully more comes out.
Posted by THRILLHO
Old Metairie near Cleary
Member since Apr 2006
50506 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:23 pm to
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The logistics were straightened out after awarding the bid. That seems a bit backwards.


It seems to be pretty standard in NOLA.

Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:23 pm to
quote:

A waste company needs to be told in a bid how to legally dispose of waste?

Shouldn't they know this already?



those specs are typically spelled out in the bid/contract
Posted by Bulldozer1899
Member since Aug 2017
169 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:24 pm to
A lot of people. They hired the old public works director from Baton Rouge. Had to get the attorney general ruling to hire him. They also have a sister company in Kenner that has a lot of ties to the S&WB.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61801 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:24 pm to
quote:

What is worse, this company may be legit, doing a good job.


Just from the quoted parts of the article, it sounds like they couldn't even get near the amount of trucks that they were supposed to. That right there right from the start takes pretty much all doubt out of the discussion about if they were doing a good job or not.

quote:

But someone with hands in mitches pocket wants the money instead, and will get it.




Maybe, but it seems to me that someone would have been given the work if this were the case. Mitch could have made that happen with the quickness if he wanted with the award.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91874 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 12:39 pm to
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Compliance Envirosystems, LLC

So who are they related to?


Not sure, but they just made a $5K contribution to Desiree Charbonnet's campaign on 8/28/17. They've also contributed $5K in 2015 and 2016 to John Bel Edwards, and $7.5K since 2010 to Mitch Landrieu.

Posted by PUB
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2017
21234 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 1:29 pm to
Them kickbacks called "campaign donations ....
Posted by Screaming Viking
Member since Jul 2013
5790 posts
Posted on 9/22/17 at 2:10 pm to
RAMJ is not a DBE. Although they are, and always have been (even before they changed names) politically connected. The vast majority of their connections have not been in NO. Jefferson, St. Charles, and St. John is where they have done the majority of their business.

The main problem is Public Bid Law. Low bid rarely is the best value. The second problem is crappy specifications. Whether it be from a municipality, or an engineer.

In this specific case, the low bidder is of the wrong ethnicity. Period. And I have no clue who the second bidder is in this case.
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