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Comite River Diversion Canal Project
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:18 am
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:18 am
We've all heard about it. But how many of you understand its importance? I'm guessing many have heard the drum beats from local media about how folks have paid taxes for 30 years on it without any movement on it, and the US Army Corp of Engineers has been dragging its feet, there's no money, yadda, yadda, yadda.
I'm sure many have heard it would have helped in the flooding of 2016.
But...What's your understanding of what this project will do and what it will accomplish? I know enough to be dangerous but I'm interested in finding out what folks in the 5-Parish Metro BR/South Louisiana area know.
I'm sure many have heard it would have helped in the flooding of 2016.
But...What's your understanding of what this project will do and what it will accomplish? I know enough to be dangerous but I'm interested in finding out what folks in the 5-Parish Metro BR/South Louisiana area know.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 10:19 am
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:21 am to GFunk
I know the corp acquired some rural land that is very close to metro BR that I would love to be able to deer hunt on.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:26 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
They started some of the work years ago... West side of 61 just north of the EBR landfill.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:27 am to GFunk
Admittedly I don't know enough about it to formulate a solid opinion one way or another. What I do know, however, is when you get 20-30 inches of rain in three days over the same locations, you're going to see catastrophic flooding regardless of what man-made preparations have been put into place. I don't think the Comite River Diversion Canal would prevent it.
Ascension Parish is spending millions along with the ACE to extend the Laurel Ridge Levee in the northeastern section of the parish from St. Amant northward to just south of Port Vincent. Bill Roux once told me during a conversation I had with him a few months ago that the extension of the levee would protect people west of the levee from another 1983 flood but would NOT protect against another 2016 flood.
My point is you can spend all the money in the world but when mother nature dumps enough on you, you're going to have severe problems. People just need to buy flood insurance and be prepared because eventually it will happen.
Ascension Parish is spending millions along with the ACE to extend the Laurel Ridge Levee in the northeastern section of the parish from St. Amant northward to just south of Port Vincent. Bill Roux once told me during a conversation I had with him a few months ago that the extension of the levee would protect people west of the levee from another 1983 flood but would NOT protect against another 2016 flood.
My point is you can spend all the money in the world but when mother nature dumps enough on you, you're going to have severe problems. People just need to buy flood insurance and be prepared because eventually it will happen.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:28 am to GFunk
It wouldn't have prevented the flood, but it would have drastically mitigated how bad it was. It shunts water from the Comite basin to the Mississippi basin. I believe it would have the capacity to reduce flood stage in the Comite basin by only a couple of feet. However, since basins are essentially bowl-shaped, every incremental foot of flood stage inundates more acreage than the last. Reducing the flood waters in 2016 by just a foot or two easily would have saved thousands of houses.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 10:54 am
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:30 am to TigerstuckinMS
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It shunts water from the Comite basin to the Mississippi basin
Where exactly do you mean? Does it go into the Mississippi River?
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:31 am to TDsngumbo
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Where exactly do you mean? Does it go into the Mississippi River?
That's the plan.
Not directly into the river, but over the ridge that separates the two basins so the diverted water would make its way into the Mississippi.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:35 am to TigerstuckinMS
What if the MS river was high like it is right now?
There was flooding along Thompson creek, which flows directly into the river.
There was flooding along Thompson creek, which flows directly into the river.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:36 am to LSUBoo
Didnt taxpayers give them $10's of millions for the couple concrete footers out there? Whats the story as to why they quit working??
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:42 am to lsufishnhunt
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What if the MS river was high like it is right now?
It doesn't go directly into the river, just into its basin. If the Mississippi is high enough to prevent the diversion canal from draining into its basin, everything from Lafayette to Slidell is already fricked.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:43 am to GFunk
I live in Central and obviously flooded. This needs to be done, but even as important, the Comite & Amite need to be dredged. They have not since the 50's because of a "Scenic River Act" or whatever it is called.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:46 am to TreeDawg
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Amite need to be dredged
Yes. There's an area near French Settlement in the middle of the river that's only a foot or so deep because of all the trash and sediment that's build up there. Dredge that fricker to 10-15 feet deep.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:54 am to GFunk
I live in Central and received 15 inches of water in 2016. I do think that the diversion canal would’ve prevented a lot of flooding but no one really knows. The Comite drains into the Amite on the south end of Central. So basically everything from southern Mississippi, East Feliciana, western St Helena, and half of EBR drains to that point. If they’re able to divert a large percentage of the water that drains from the western side of this area to the MS river I think the chances of flooding for a lot of homes drops tremendously. My home flooded b/c the Amite backed up into it. Not sure if the canal would’ve helped much. But my dad flooded b/c the Comite couldn’t drain. I’m confident it would’ve helped him.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 10:59 am to lsufishnhunt
The elevation at the control structure is well above the flood level of the Mississippi. So even during high water events on the Mississippi, the Comite Diversion would perform it's intended function. Went to a presentation about 5-7 years ago that Deitmar gave at Southern University and then we went and visited the completed control structure. I believe the calculated effect was around a 1' reduction in the flood elevation in the Comite and Amite River Basins during a 1% percent (100 year) storm event. Would be a greater reduction for the event that we had in 2016.
However, the issue with the diversion is the cost benefit ratio. When first envisioned and authorized after the flood of 1983, the cost benefit was a little higher than it is now. As BR and other areas adopted tighter building restrictions in the flood zone, the cost benefit has actually gone down. Since 1987, all structure in BR have been required to build 1' above the 1% (100 year) base flood. Therefore, none of those structures would benefit from the diversion during a 1% flood event. Cost benefit at this point is 1.4ish and somewhere north of 2.0 is required to get moved to the top of the list for funding. So, tighter building restrictions have actually hurt the diversion's chance of funding.
However, the issue with the diversion is the cost benefit ratio. When first envisioned and authorized after the flood of 1983, the cost benefit was a little higher than it is now. As BR and other areas adopted tighter building restrictions in the flood zone, the cost benefit has actually gone down. Since 1987, all structure in BR have been required to build 1' above the 1% (100 year) base flood. Therefore, none of those structures would benefit from the diversion during a 1% flood event. Cost benefit at this point is 1.4ish and somewhere north of 2.0 is required to get moved to the top of the list for funding. So, tighter building restrictions have actually hurt the diversion's chance of funding.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 11:04 am to TreeDawg
Some dredging would help, but only on the extreme lower end of the Amite Basin. Corps projects on the headwaters of the Amite years ago increased velocity and created scour upriver depositing silt in the lower reaches.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 11:22 am to GFunk
It could have prevented a shite load of houses from flooding in 2016.
Not all of them. But a shite load of them.
Not all of them. But a shite load of them.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 11:24 am to TreeDawg
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This needs to be done, but even as important, the Comite & Amite need to be dredged.
Big time. We'll go down to the Comite in Wadill and the Amite along the tracks in Frenchtown. There is a good bit of man-made trash but a lot of natural debris at both locations.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 11:25 am to member12
Darlington Reservoir would have done more than the Comite Diversion Canal. But Edwin Edwards and his buddies fricked that up. Damn the damn was a push that killed it. EE and buddies we're banking on buying up water front property before project was a project. Typical Louisiana politics that screw over residents.
Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:34 pm to LSUDAN1
So the Comite River is a tributary of the Amite River. The confluence (or where they meet) occurs to the East of Baton Rouge near the Highway 190/Florida Boulevard Bridge that connects Denham Springs to Baton Rouge.
By implementing this project, the Lower Basin is hugely improved from a drainage perspective. Flood stages throughout the lower basin (East Baton Rouge, fringes of LP and the Felicianas) would be lowered along the Comite as the water draining into it from its Southern Basin would begin being diverted as a result of the project.
This would mean less flooding along the Comite on the EBR side. Lowered flood stage would also benefit LP in a major, major way.
This is because when the Comite is less strained, there's less pressure on the Amite since the Comite is a tributary. Less water flowing into the Amite at the confluence helps downstream flood stages obviously (from Southern Denham Springs all the way down to Port Vincent). But...it also helps back upstream as well.
That's because the Amite's basin above the Comite can also drain faster and more efficiently since there's a lower level downstream at the Comite/Amite confluence. Which means lower flooding stages through the city limits of Denham Springs and on up through Live Oak/Watson.
As other posters have pointed out, what occurred in mid-August of 2016 was a record-shattering rain event that was-literally-a perfect storm. There is no way to avoid the flooding in some respects. But the level, severity and duration of the event could have been lessened. Not avoided mind you...but lessened.
In short, it would help a huge portion of the 5-Parish Metro Baton Rouge area moving forward for normal rain events from a general drainage perspective.
By implementing this project, the Lower Basin is hugely improved from a drainage perspective. Flood stages throughout the lower basin (East Baton Rouge, fringes of LP and the Felicianas) would be lowered along the Comite as the water draining into it from its Southern Basin would begin being diverted as a result of the project.
This would mean less flooding along the Comite on the EBR side. Lowered flood stage would also benefit LP in a major, major way.
This is because when the Comite is less strained, there's less pressure on the Amite since the Comite is a tributary. Less water flowing into the Amite at the confluence helps downstream flood stages obviously (from Southern Denham Springs all the way down to Port Vincent). But...it also helps back upstream as well.
That's because the Amite's basin above the Comite can also drain faster and more efficiently since there's a lower level downstream at the Comite/Amite confluence. Which means lower flooding stages through the city limits of Denham Springs and on up through Live Oak/Watson.
As other posters have pointed out, what occurred in mid-August of 2016 was a record-shattering rain event that was-literally-a perfect storm. There is no way to avoid the flooding in some respects. But the level, severity and duration of the event could have been lessened. Not avoided mind you...but lessened.
In short, it would help a huge portion of the 5-Parish Metro Baton Rouge area moving forward for normal rain events from a general drainage perspective.
This post was edited on 4/19/18 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 4/19/18 at 1:43 pm to GFunk
If I remember the initial buildup to that project, it was to lower flood levels at DS by 18 inches just by diverting that water from the Comite. Doesn't sound like much - and would not have prevented the last catastrophe - but every little bit helps.
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