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re: Coming to a state near you... Utah passes .05 BAC DWI laws
Posted on 3/9/17 at 1:52 pm to NYNolaguy1
Posted on 3/9/17 at 1:52 pm to NYNolaguy1
I'll be in Utah this weekend. Ill see if I can manage not to drink and drive
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Posted on 3/9/17 at 1:53 pm to SSpaniel
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And if someone thinks they can, and turns out they can't, and hits my daughters best friend and kills her, who takes personal responsibility for that?
Well, I imagine that driver would be responsible. No?
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Will it make her less dead?
No, but changing the legal limit won't make her less dead either.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 1:54 pm to SSpaniel
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And if someone thinks they can, and turns out they can't, and hits my daughters best friend and kills her, who takes personal responsibility for that? Will it make her less dead?
We already have laws in place to provide deterrence and enact punishment on drunk drivers.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 1:55 pm to LSUBoo
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No, but changing the legal limit won't make her less dead either.
Might just make the person slightly less likely to drive though, right? Or am I off base here? I can admit it when I'm off base. I won't change my mind, but I'll admit to being off base.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 1:55 pm to LSUBoo
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No, but changing the legal limit won't make her less dead either.
It means they can punish people who do drink and drive more. It's not hard to understand.
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Might just make the person slightly less likely to drive though, right? Or am I off base here? I can admit it when I'm off base. I won't change my mind, but I'll admit to being off base
Well if you read this thread you'll come to realize that there's people who will break the law just because they think they can drive perfectly fine after a beer or sharing a bottle of wine. They don't care one way or another.
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We already have laws in place to provide deterrence and enact punishment on drunk drivers
And Utah is making it stricter. Which is good for them.
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 1:58 pm
Posted on 3/9/17 at 1:57 pm to SSpaniel
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Might just make the person slightly less likely to drive though, right? Or am I off base here? I can admit it when I'm off base. I won't change my mind, but I'll admit to being off base.
Maybe... I don't think anyone believes there should be no DUI laws, so there has to be a limit somewhere. Regardless of what the limit is, some people are still going to drink and drive, so lowering it from .08 to .05 isn't really in the interest of public safety, it's just a money grab and comes even closer to a zero tolerance policy, which I think most would find asinine.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 1:58 pm to LSUBoo
It makes it easier to punish people though because they don't need to test that high. Which I'm all for.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 1:58 pm to rmnldr
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Well if you read this thread you'll come to realize that there's people who will break the law just because they think they can drive perfectly fine after a beer or sharing a bottle of wine. They don't care one way or another.
And... truth is, many of them can drink a few beers and drive home perfectly well. And they will have no problem doing so. Unless they have wreck or whatever. Then, I guess they just weren't as "fine" as they think they were. And deserve whatever they get.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 1:59 pm to rmnldr
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Everyone's body reacts differently. You can't look at the entirety of the society and say that everyone is able to do something the same. Some people become impaired after one beer or one glass of wine. And on that fact alone, the law has to be in place to punish those people and the society as whole because of the circumstance. Just don't drink and drive. It doesn't matter what you can tolerate. It doesn't matter what you think you can do after a beer or a glass of wine. Don't overestimate yourself and just play it safe for the sake of yourself and the people around you.
I'm totally in disagreement with your logic.
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Everyone's body reacts differently.
Yes. Exactly.
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Some people become impaired after one beer or one glass of wine. And on that fact alone, the law has to be in place to punish those people and the society as whole because of the circumstance.
Some people are terrible drivers even when they're sober. By that logic, nobody should be allowed to drive cars, because we have to have laws in place to prevent those people and the society as whole because of the circumstance.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:00 pm to SSpaniel
Nearly every accident involving someone intoxicated I've ever seen in person and in media has involved the drunk person to say either:
"I'm not drunk!"
"I didn't even drink tonight!"
"It was just one beer!"
or
"I do this all the time though"
Everyone has the "it won't happen to me" mentality.
Yes. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Bad drivers can get their license taken away.
"I'm not drunk!"
"I didn't even drink tonight!"
"It was just one beer!"
or
"I do this all the time though"
Everyone has the "it won't happen to me" mentality.
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Some people are terrible drivers even when they're sober. By that logic, nobody should be allowed to drive cars, because we have to have laws in place to prevent those people and the society as whole because of the circumstance
Yes. Driving is a privilege, not a right. Bad drivers can get their license taken away.
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 2:03 pm
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:11 pm to rmnldr
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Bad drivers can get their license taken away.
Yes, indeed. And people who are arrested for driving drunk can get their license taken away.
But we're not talking about punishments. We're talking about the crime. This law is essentially criminalizing many otherwise innocent people who are no danger.
You can harp all you want about "even one drink is too many!" but that doesn't make it true. Apparently, even the governments of all fifty U.S. states disagree with you, seeing as none of them have enacted limits of 0.00.
There are a plethora of factors that could affect someone's driving ability more than 1 or 2 beers would. Fatigue, stress, shitty coordination, texting, doing your makeup, you name it.
Should we start putting these people in handcuffs too?
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:25 pm to kingbob
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Because most breathilizers have a margin of error of .05.
Sucks when you are at .04 and blow a .09.
Oops.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:47 pm to WillyLoman
quote:Remember when MADD got that Illinois DA to charge a passenger in a car with a DUI? Claimed that because the passenger was giving directions he was therefor in control of the vehicle, and therefor should receive the DUI. The charges were eventually dropped, but the fact that it was even charged in the first place shows just how crazy this mentality has gotten.
This is what MADD wants.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:50 pm to rmnldr
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Bad drivers can get their license taken away.
You ever drive around BR? 
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:55 pm to NYNolaguy1
It's called urban transportation. Taxis, uber Lyft, buses, trains etc.
This only seems to be an issue in the diabetic states.
This only seems to be an issue in the diabetic states.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 2:59 pm to UGATiger26
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Should we start putting these people in handcuffs too?
Yes.
If you're operating a motor vehicle in a situation where it can hurt people and you're incapable of doing so, you should be punished.
More people should have their licenses taken away and should be required to go through extensive learning courses and pass tests to get it back.
Driving a motor vehicle isn't a right. Until the constitution says it is, the government can and should try to ensure the safety of its people by any means.
This post was edited on 3/9/17 at 3:02 pm
Posted on 3/9/17 at 3:04 pm to rmnldr
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Yes.
Yikes.
We're all criminals then, I guess. We'd obviously be a lot safer if the government just put everyone in prison.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 3:11 pm to redstick13
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It's called urban transportation. Taxis, uber Lyft, buses, trains etc.
This only seems to be an issue in the diabetic states.
Just the ones with a tax deficient base it seems.
Also your hypothesis is totally bogus. Drunk driving in the north east is just as big of a racket as it is in Louisiana.
I
whenever anyone tries to claim this will protect more drivers on the road. It's a plain money grab, and all it does is criminalizes more people who were previously law abiding citizens.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 3:12 pm to rmnldr
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Until the constitution says it is, the government can and should try to ensure the safety of its people by any means.
The only way to make it 100% safe is to shut down the highway.
Though that brings in far less revenue.
Posted on 3/9/17 at 3:15 pm to rmnldr
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Driving a motor vehicle isn't a right. Until the constitution says it is, the government can and should try to ensure the safety of its people by any means.
And changing the limit from .08 to .05 does just that correct? frick my fricking life.
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