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re: Colorized photographs of the attack on Pearl Harbor (78 years ago today)
Posted on 12/7/19 at 10:31 am to Nguyener
Posted on 12/7/19 at 10:31 am to Nguyener
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I seriously doubt the America of today possesses the conviction or strength to fight a war.
I said essentially this once in front of my Grandpa once (Both grandfathers served). This one forged his documents to enlist at 16. He got a little quiet and said he thought we would be fine. That it was just something that needed doing. If it ever comes to it, there will be people that step up and do what needs to be done.
I don’t know why but I’ve never forgotten that little exchange.
As an aside, to this day the VA has his age wrong and he has never corrected them because he didn’t want to rock the boat
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Posted on 12/7/19 at 10:32 am to TigerFanInSouthland
In the words of a former contestant on the Apprentice.
"Don't start no stuff won't be no stuff."
-Lil John
"Don't start no stuff won't be no stuff."
-Lil John
Posted on 12/7/19 at 10:45 am to 777Tiger
I first visited Pearl Harbor about a decade ago (by myself).
We got out to the Arizona site and I was very moved.
We got out to the Arizona site and I was very moved.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 10:47 am to soccerfüt
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We got out to the Arizona site and I was very moved.
very somber place, did you go to the Punch Bowl? very similar
Posted on 12/7/19 at 10:49 am to 777Tiger
Yup, same feeling.
Ernie Pyle and Onizuka...
All those poor devil dogs from the Pacific landings.
Sad, somber place.
Ernie Pyle and Onizuka...
All those poor devil dogs from the Pacific landings.
Sad, somber place.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 10:54 am to soccerfüt
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Sad, somber place.
I read the quote(I think Lincoln originated it,) on the monument that someone said to the mother of the five Sullivan brothers, paraphrased, "what an awesome sacrifice you've laid on the altar of freedom," almost lost it right there
ETA: when I used to do a lot of Hawaii flying it was relatively common to bring home remains of servicemen that had been identified at the forensics lab out there, was always very touching as well, always accompanied by a military officer that had to witness loading and unloading of the remains, the one rare time that passengers behaved, we would ask them to stop and remain silent while remains were being loaded and stay seated and silent when we arrived at out destination until remains were off loaded
This post was edited on 12/7/19 at 11:00 am
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:06 am to 777Tiger
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I read the quote(I think Lincoln originated it,) on the monument that someone said to the mother of the five Sullivan brothers, paraphrased, "what an awesome sacrifice you've laid on the altar of freedom," almost lost it right there
Here's the quote from Lincoln, and you're right, it's moving beyond words to think about the sacrifice those men made.
DEAR MADAM: I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant-General of Massachusetts that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save. I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:08 am to 777Tiger
Reason #1 that I would not want to be POTUS.
Heavy things.
ETA Onions cutting now panthers, that letter always gets me.
Heavy things.
ETA Onions cutting now panthers, that letter always gets me.
This post was edited on 12/7/19 at 11:11 am
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:10 am to soccerfüt
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We got out to the Arizona site and I was very moved.
We did the same a few years ago, and I think the thing that hit me most was seeing the oil still leaking from the Arizona 70+ years after. My wife stood looking at the wall of names for almost the whole visit. When I asked her what she had been doing, said said she read each and every name on that wall, since she felt like they deserved someone taking the time to remember each of them individually.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:10 am to 777Tiger
RIP Fellas. Remember Pearl Harbor.
I own two items from the USS Oklahoma. One is dated 1941.
As to any comments about our country, WWII and Iraq and Afganastan. Our boys from Iraq and Afganastan deserve as much respect as they fought just as bravely and faced the same fate as our boys in WWII.
But our country did not unite nor did it shutdown all peacetime production, food or gas rationing, material drives, war bond drives..
Imagine today if Americans were told they could not buy a new car, could only have 5 gallons of gas a week, or cell phone traffic had to be limited so the military could use the cell phone bandwidth.
Enjoy your Christmas shopping this year and notice how much you buy says "Made in China."
About the only thing you are able to this Christmas that says "Made in the USA" are guns and ammo... Thank Gosh for that.
I own two items from the USS Oklahoma. One is dated 1941.
As to any comments about our country, WWII and Iraq and Afganastan. Our boys from Iraq and Afganastan deserve as much respect as they fought just as bravely and faced the same fate as our boys in WWII.
But our country did not unite nor did it shutdown all peacetime production, food or gas rationing, material drives, war bond drives..
Imagine today if Americans were told they could not buy a new car, could only have 5 gallons of gas a week, or cell phone traffic had to be limited so the military could use the cell phone bandwidth.
Enjoy your Christmas shopping this year and notice how much you buy says "Made in China."
About the only thing you are able to this Christmas that says "Made in the USA" are guns and ammo... Thank Gosh for that.
This post was edited on 12/7/19 at 11:12 am
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:12 am to shspanthers
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DEAR MADAM: I have been shown in the files of the War Department a statement of the Adjutant-General of Massachusetts that you are the mother of five sons who have died gloriously on the field of battle. I feel how weak and fruitless must be any words of mine which should attempt to beguile you from the grief of a loss so overwhelming. But I cannot refrain from tendering to you the consolation that may be found in the thanks of the Republic they died to save. I pray that our Heavenly Father may assuage the anguish of your bereavement, and leave you only the cherished memory of the loved and lost, and the solemn pride that must be yours to have laid so costly a sacrifice upon the altar of freedom.
dude could write, those are some powerful words, a lot of gallows humor in my line of work but when you read something like that and know it's connotation it's very moving
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:22 am to 777Tiger
Back when men could write. That's such a powerful letter. Saving Private Ryan nailed the delivery of it as well.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:25 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Saving Private Ryan
still have yet to see that, I'll have to find it
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:35 am to JohnnyKilroy
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We just got out of a long arse war
No we didn't. everything outside of the initial Desert Storm Operation has been insurgency. I for one am relieved that we are moving troops out of the middle east. Those cocksockers have been fighting for thousands of years. They are untrustworthy and not worth the effort. let them kill themselves with their barbaric civilization. They can keep their refugees as well. frick them.
The war that our military fought in WW1 & WW2 was not to defend the clown show our politicians have put forth today. Let's continue to MAGA!
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:35 am to WWII Collector
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RIP Fellas. Remember Pearl Harbor. I own two items from the USS Oklahoma. One is dated 1941. As to any comments about our country, WWII and Iraq and Afganastan. Our boys from Iraq and Afganastan deserve as much respect as they fought just as bravely and faced the same fate as our boys in WWII. But our country did not unite nor did it shutdown all peacetime production, food or gas rationing, material drives, war bond drives.. Imagine today if Americans were told they could not buy a new car, could only have 5 gallons of gas a week, or cell phone traffic had to be limited so the military could use the cell phone bandwidth. Enjoy your Christmas shopping this year and notice how much you buy says "Made in China." About the only thing you are able to this Christmas that says "Made in the USA" are guns and ammo... Thank Gosh for that.
Very well put
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:39 am to Nguyener
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I seriously doubt the America of today possesses the conviction or strength to fight a war.
You must surround yourself with weak people then.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:40 am to Montezuma
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I seriously doubt the America of today possesses the conviction or strength to fight a war.
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You must surround yourself with weak people then.
'murcans always seem to come through when needed
Posted on 12/7/19 at 11:59 am to Nguyener
quote:ok Boomer
We didn't start the fight.
But we damn sure finished it.
And that's certainly something to be acknowledged, but not really something to be celebrated. Everything about that war was tragic. Our entire planet was full of evil and death for an entire generation.
I seriously doubt the America of today possesses the conviction or strength to fight a war.
It seems we have forgotten the meaning of the word sacrifice on every level of society.
Unfortunately I think we'll see that tested in my lifetime.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 12:08 pm to Slim Chance
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frick the japs
Meh. After we thrashed em and made them bend the knee, they found respect for us.
They are now one of our greatest, and most militarily capable allies.
We need them now more than ever in our fight against the chinese.
Posted on 12/7/19 at 12:27 pm to 777Tiger
Pearl Harbor was moving. Arlington didn’t have the same effect on me, but the Normandy beach brought me to actual tears. Seeing the beach itself and then the endless rows of graves. What hit me the most was the thought that those men never knew how the battle and war turned out.
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