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Colleges and Covid...
Posted on 5/14/20 at 8:56 am
Posted on 5/14/20 at 8:56 am
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/scott-galloway-future-of-college.html
Interesting that so many in the tech elite seem intent on reporting worst case scenarios on reopening. Scenarios that benefit them in power and money. At a minimum it is an unavoidable conflict of interest.
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At universities, we’re having constant meetings, and we’ve all adopted this narrative of “This is unprecedented, and we’re in this together,” which is Latin for “We’re not lowering our prices, bitches.”
Interesting that so many in the tech elite seem intent on reporting worst case scenarios on reopening. Scenarios that benefit them in power and money. At a minimum it is an unavoidable conflict of interest.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 9:02 am
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 8:58 am to Anaximander
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Anaximander
Say bra, you know you can change the name of your links, right?
Posted on 5/14/20 at 8:59 am to Hot Carl
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Say bra, you know you can change the name of your links, right?
I prefer to see the exact link address.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 8:59 am to Anaximander
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Ultimately, universities are going to partner with companies to help them expand. I think that partnership will look something like MIT and Google partnering. Microsoft and Berkeley. Big-tech companies are about to enter education and health care in a big way, not because they want to but because they have to.
Google is already in a lot of public K-12 schools. We served as a pilot for their "Backpack" program, where students have to present pieces from over their high school career that supports their progression (basically what written portfolios used to be but with tech now involved).
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:01 am to Anaximander
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Interesting that so many in the tech elite seem intent on reporting worst case scenarios on reopening. Scenarios that benefit them in power and money. At a minimum it is an unavoidable conflict of interest.
I think there's some merit to it. None of these schools in CA that are closed through the fall semester will lower their prices despite not opening their facilities and the students are going to be pissed when they realize their tuition will remain the same or possibly even go up.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:04 am to Anaximander
They don't want to open up for a group that is statistically the safest from the virus. Makes perfect sense.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:05 am to upgrayedd
I couldnt imagine being dumb enough to pay 30k for a semester of online classes at UCLA, when the same online classes at a smaller college or even community college will be 1/4th the cost
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:07 am to Anaximander
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I prefer to see the exact link address.
you're creating threads for others...it's not what you prefer to see, it's what they prefer to see
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:07 am to lsupride87
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I couldnt imagine being dumb enough to pay 30k for a semester of online classes at UCLA, when the same online classes at a smaller college or even community college will be 1/4th the cost
For most of these kids, saying you go to UCLA is the most important part of going to UCLA
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:08 am to lsupride87
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I couldnt imagine being dumb enough to pay 30k for a semester of online classes at UCLA, when the same online classes at a smaller college or even community college will be 1/4th the cost
Families paying tuition to a major university aren't going to accept lesser quality instruction like they did in this semester because they gave some grace and understanding to having to transition at the end of a semester to online.
That said, if you're a major brick and mortar you really don't have an excuse to not have quality online courses. Most brick and mortars have them for certain degrees. Have done both, shitty professors and going to be shitty professors in either medium. You can have excellent instruction in an online course if you have a professor that gives a shite.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 9:09 am
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:09 am to upgrayedd
quote:But you arent "going" to shite
For most of these kids, saying you go to UCLA is the most important part of going to UCLA
To me, as an employer hiring, I subconsciously view certain colleges as better. But when I knew you took the classes online, it literally doesnt make a difference to me. I know online classes are filled with bullshite
Then on the other end, from a students perspective, there is zero difference in what college you "attend", when you are simply signing in online
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:11 am to lsupride87
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I couldnt imagine being dumb enough to pay 30k for a semester of online classes at UCLA, when the same online classes at a smaller college or even community college will be 1/4th the cost
The dramatic cost difference with no return on investment has been a problem for a long time even without this online issue. There are certain degrees/jobs that the name of the university is a door opener. For many it doesn’t matter at all.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:12 am to lsupride87
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I know online classes are filled with bullshite
Not everyone is the University of Phoenix.
Most brick and mortars that offer online courses (not just ones they put together during this Spring semester) still have to meet accreditation depending upon the program you're in. They can't just throw some busy work on there and take your "sign in" as a grade.
You're doing yourself a disservice if you're discounting someone who took online classes. Especially with a graduate degree, since most are moving online.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 9:13 am
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:14 am to lsupride87
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But you arent "going" to shite
To me, as an employer hiring, I subconsciously view certain colleges as better. But when I knew you took the classes online, it literally doesnt make a difference to me. I know online classes are filled with bullshite
Then on the other end, from a students perspective, there is zero difference in what college you "attend", when you are simply signing in online
Well, that mentality hasn't taken hold yet. It's going to take a while for that mentality to change. As of now, "going" to UCLA or Berkeley still carries "prestige" whether online or not.
This is a shot across the bow for all universities. They're going to have to start rethinking how they do business because their ridiculously expensive, top heavy, wasteful business model is going to have to change soon.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:17 am to BluegrassBelle
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if you're a major brick and mortar you really don't have an excuse to not have quality online courses.
There's really no such thing as a quality online course for many majors.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:18 am to GetCocky11
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There's really no such thing as a quality online course for many majors.
Gonna disagree on that one.
Are there some majors that online really isn't feasible? Sure. But there's still no excuse to not have quality courses for online brick and mortars when they're completely feasible to be done online.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:24 am to lsupride87
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But when I knew you took the classes online, it literally doesnt make a difference to me. I know online classes are filled with bullshite
As someone who has taken online classes and classes traditionally, I think this is a poor opinion. Most college courses are bull shite through the lens you are using also. With the improvements in technology over recent years I believe many of the items that help you create that opinion have been addressed in some appropriate way.
What is the difference between sitting in a 300-500 person class with no interaction with the teacher and taking all test in computer labs afterwards.
Additionally interacting with people through conference calls and at distance is very common in the workplace. You could argue that success in an online program that required group work would be helpful to someone development for certain positions.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 9:26 am
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:27 am to BluegrassBelle
quote:To me it is when online
Not everyone is the University of Phoenix.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:27 am to lsupride87
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I couldnt imagine being dumb enough to pay 30k for a semester of online classes at UCLA, when the same online classes at a smaller college or even community college will be 1/4th the cost
The job opportunities are infinitely better than whatever school you have in your head. Moreover, the in-state price tag for UCLA isn't that high.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 9:30 am to lsupride87
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Not everyone is the University of Phoenix.
To me it is when online
Why is a 300-500 person class any different at any university?
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 9:32 am
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