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re: Children and Santa Claus

Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:32 am to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:32 am to
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I lie to my kid all the time. Why stop for Christmas?


No joke.

I can see the OP explaining how babies are made to a 3 y/o.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64539 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:32 am to
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My kids have never believed in it. Not because I told them not to. They just thought it was crazy to think some fat guy can make it around to every house in the world in one night and drop presents. They both have been realists their entire life.


Uh huh. Sure.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
89339 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:33 am to
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My kids have never believed in it. Not because I told them not to. They just thought it was crazy to think some fat guy can make it around to every house in the world in one night and drop presents. They both have been realists their entire life.


Well that's depressing.
Posted by DustyDinkleman
Here
Member since Feb 2012
20353 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:34 am to
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We think that we will let her believe as long as she wants, but if she asks one day then we tell her the truth. Tell her the story of Saint Nicholas and how giving selflessly is what "Santa" is about.


You really needed to start a thread about this?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:35 am to
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My problem is that fat frick getting credit for the stuff I spend my hard earned money on.


, I hear you.

Santa gives the kids a stocking and a present or two. The volume of presents and big gifts come from mom and dad in our house.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
89339 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:35 am to
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I never believed in Santa. My parents didn't want me thinking that the meaning of Christmas was a fat man who gives gifts for good behavior.

I'm not having kids, but if I did they wouldn't believe in Santa.




This place was dull without you.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:36 am to
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Well that's depressing.


What's depressing about not believing in Santa? This is so bizarre to me

I loved Christmas as a kid (and still do now), and I never thought that gifts came from Santa and elves.
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5923 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:36 am to
My son just turned 4 and is balls deep in Santa and Christmas magic this year. There's no way i would take that from him.

frick elf on a shelf though
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:37 am to
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What's depressing about not believing in Santa? This is so bizarre to me


The lack of imagination.
Posted by LNCHBOX
70448
Member since Jun 2009
89339 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:39 am to
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What's depressing about not believing in Santa? This is so bizarre to me


What's depressing about kids supposedly being realists and never believing in Santa? That's your question?

Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135024 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:40 am to
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I can see the OP explaining how babies are made to a 3 y/o.



I pull an egg out the fridge.


I say, “you see this egg? You came from an egg too.” Then I crush the egg in my hand, the yolk oozing out the creases of my fingers, slowly dripping down my forearm in golden tendrils, puddling in a grotesque glop on the floor with heavy drips.

“And this is what happens if you ever cross me.”
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:41 am to
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The lack of imagination.



You're not promoting a child's organic creativity and imagination, you're feeding them the ideas. You're the one creating their beliefs in Santa. They're not coming up with it on their own. If that weren't the case, every child would believe in a different type of Santa. If you're going to feed them beliefs, why not feed when something of substance?
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88411 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:41 am to
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What's depressing about not believing in Santa?
Lack of imagination.

This also explains your Disneyphobia.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88411 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:43 am to
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You're not promoting a child's organic creativity and imagination, you're feeding them the ideas.
Every story is an idea meant to feed the imagination into believing the unbelievable and what's possible. If you limit their minds to only what they perceive, they can miss out on some serious troubleshooting skills.
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:45 am to
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What's depressing about kids supposedly being realists and never believing in Santa? That's your question?



What's depressing about children believing that Christmas is about more than receiving gifts for good behavior? It's actually sad to think that parents negotiate with young children and tell them to behave so that Santa will bring them gifts.

I loved Christmas because I got be with my family, we got gifts from my parents and family, and because it was a celebration of something important. I played with toys and had a great imagination. I didn't need to believe in Santa to enjoy Christmas, and I think that's actually a good thing.
Posted by Epic Cajun
Lafayette, LA
Member since Feb 2013
37464 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:45 am to
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back when i lurked, this was one of my favorite threads ever on TD

CENLALSUFAN only had 4 kids at the time of that thread, I think he's had 10 more since then
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:47 am to
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Every story is an idea meant to feed the imagination into believing the unbelievable and what's possible. If you limit their minds to only what they perceive, they can miss out on some serious troubleshooting skills.


If the extent of your parental cultivating of a child's creativity is lying to them about Santa then I'm sorry for your kid. If it's more than a belief in Santa, then Santa isn't necessary.

Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88411 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:47 am to
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What's depressing about children believing that Christmas is about more than receiving gifts for good behavior?
Don't deflect.
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It's actually sad to think that parents negotiate with young children and tell them to behave so that Santa will bring them gifts.
As a non-parent, it would make sense that you don't understand how to negotiate with kids. Good parents make deals daily. For example, finish your dinner and you get dessert. It's called reinforcement. Good behavior = rewards. Santa/christmas is just one of those mechanisms.
Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
88411 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:49 am to
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If the extent of your parental cultivating of a child's creativity is lying to them about Santa
Of course it's not the extent. Why would it be the extent? It's just a single example. I literally said ALL stories and now you're pinning me down to just one.

And stories aren't the end all, be all, but they're the most effective especially when they involve books instead of simply oral/visual passage.
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 9:51 am
Posted by Pecker
Rocky Top
Member since May 2015
16674 posts
Posted on 12/17/18 at 9:50 am to
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Good behavior = rewards. Santa/christmas is just one of those mechanisms.


Bribing children to behave is a good parenting strategy?? Do you want me to start pulling sources on why psychologists think this is actually NOT a good thing?
This post was edited on 12/17/18 at 9:52 am
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