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Centenary, Spring Hill among five colleges placed on SACS probation
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:00 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:00 pm
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Four small private colleges -- along with one community college -- have been placed on probation by the regional accreditor for the southern United States.
Spring Hill College and Kentucky Wesleyan College will be on probation for six months, while Centenary College in Louisiana and Georgetown College in Kentucky will be on probation for 12 months. Angelina College, a community college in Texas, will also be on probation for 12 months.
At its meeting, SACS also took three colleges -- the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Bluefield College and South Carolina State University -- off probation. Another three colleges -- Virginia State University, Alabama State University and Galen College of Nursing -- were taken off warning.
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Looks like its all financial, not academic issues for SHC and Centenary. The one community college on the list was hit with big penalties - failing to meet standards related to educational programs, institutional effectiveness and integrity.
UNC Chapel Hill was on probation for the athletic academic fraud. That was lifted, so looks like UNC has at least appeared to start to correct itself.
Four small private colleges -- along with one community college -- have been placed on probation by the regional accreditor for the southern United States.
Spring Hill College and Kentucky Wesleyan College will be on probation for six months, while Centenary College in Louisiana and Georgetown College in Kentucky will be on probation for 12 months. Angelina College, a community college in Texas, will also be on probation for 12 months.
At its meeting, SACS also took three colleges -- the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, Bluefield College and South Carolina State University -- off probation. Another three colleges -- Virginia State University, Alabama State University and Galen College of Nursing -- were taken off warning.
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Looks like its all financial, not academic issues for SHC and Centenary. The one community college on the list was hit with big penalties - failing to meet standards related to educational programs, institutional effectiveness and integrity.
UNC Chapel Hill was on probation for the athletic academic fraud. That was lifted, so looks like UNC has at least appeared to start to correct itself.
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Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:02 pm to anc
The Centenary nerds are gonna be triggered big time. I'm sure they'll double down on their pretentiousness to combat this.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:03 pm to anc
what school is not like the others 
UNC. I'm surprised some of those small private school's haven't shut down.
UNC. I'm surprised some of those small private school's haven't shut down. 
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:05 pm to jb4
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I'm surprised some of those small private school's haven't shut down.
With all the available information on the internet I am still shocked that people pay $40,000+ a year to attend mediocre to poor private universities.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:06 pm to anc
That makes me sad about Georgetown as they at one point were a solid, small private college alternative here. My guess is they've struggled to compete with schools like Campbellsville that has evolved with the market by becoming a brick and mortar that offers legitimate online degrees.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:07 pm to NIH
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With all the available information on the internet I am still shocked that people pay $40,000+ a year to attend mediocre to poor private universities.
I highly doubt that most kids that attend those schools pay anywhere near 40k in tuition.
Edit: For clarification, supposedly small liberal arts schools are having to offer tons of scholarships to attract kids and that is only compounding their financial issues.
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:07 pm to NIH
Edit: Double post
This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:08 pm to anc
These colleges used to offer unique educational experiences. Centenary was Methodist based, liberal arts. Spring Hill was a small Jesuit/Catholic based liberal arts -- when a 'Jesuit School' used to mean something very distinct. I don't know much about Georgetown (Kentucky), but I see it was a Baptist college, which would have carried its own unique distinct attributes to it.
Over the years, any unique qualities of these places have pretty much just dissolved into generic 'liberal academia', with really nothing to distinguish any one of these schools from the other. Pair that with exponentially rising tuition, and the whole model for the very existence of these places begins to fall apart. It seems like a wholly predictable consequence that, likely, nobody within the insular worlds of such places will ever admit.
Over the years, any unique qualities of these places have pretty much just dissolved into generic 'liberal academia', with really nothing to distinguish any one of these schools from the other. Pair that with exponentially rising tuition, and the whole model for the very existence of these places begins to fall apart. It seems like a wholly predictable consequence that, likely, nobody within the insular worlds of such places will ever admit.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:08 pm to BluegrassBelle
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schools like Campbellsville that has evolved with the market by becoming a brick and mortar that offers legitimate online degrees.
You get it.
Adapt or die.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:09 pm to anc
Serious question... Always a shot in the dark with the OT.
Would being on probation for financial issues cause one to reconsider attending one of these colleges if you are about to start? (i.e. not a returning student)
Would being on probation for financial issues cause one to reconsider attending one of these colleges if you are about to start? (i.e. not a returning student)
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:12 pm to anc
Sister went to spring hill, there's a bit of pipeline from Baton Rouge catholic schools. She didn't care for it. Most of her class transferred out.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:12 pm to BearsFan
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I highly doubt that most kids that attend those schools pay anywhere near 40k in tuition.
I have heard from a reliable source that Centenary's "discount rate" is 85%. Which means the average student is paying just over $5k in tuition (enough for Pell Grants to cover). They get students in, and receive revenue from other things like room and board.
In the higher ed world, your discount rate shouldn't be much more than 50% of published tuition. Too low and you have a hard time attracting students. Too high and you have a hard time paying bills. That appears to be the problem at Centenary and Spring Hill.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:13 pm to jb4
Georgetown College used to have some pretty deep pockets for small private schools. They had some pretty big donors in the late 90's early 2000's.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:15 pm to jbgleason
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Would being on probation for financial issues cause one to reconsider attending one of these colleges if you are about to start? (i.e. not a returning student)
If they lose their accreditation, the degree is worthless. Probation is the first of several steps. If they were on probation for a second year, meaning that they did not rectify the situation (which most do because losing accreditation is the end, so making significant cuts is not as bad), then I would consider transferring or not attending.
Centenary worries me because they have already made some significant cuts. They went to Division III athletics, cut 20% of their administration, etc. Those are cuts one would consider once they were on probation.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:17 pm to anc
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Centenary worries me because they have already made some significant cuts. They went to Division III athletics, cut 20% of their administration, etc. Those are cuts one would consider once they were on probation.
From what I can see, it looks like they only have like 500 students left there. I just don't see how it possibly survives another 10 years.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:20 pm to Y.A. Tittle
I thought Centenary had an endowment over 100 Million? they should start a football program to bring in male students and be less lesbian no offense 
What's the scoop with Birmingham southern college, just read there President left/fired after a year on the job. They had seemed to be a turn around story before that departure.
no offense What's the scoop with Birmingham southern college, just read there President left/fired after a year on the job. They had seemed to be a turn around story before that departure. This post was edited on 6/20/16 at 12:31 pm
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:20 pm to Y.A. Tittle
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From what I can see, it looks like they only have like 500 students left there. I just don't see how it possibly survives another 10 years.
Its a shell of its former self. They doubled down on the liberal utopia and it will ruin them.
Millsaps ridded itself of their SJW president and they are on the rebound. Back up to around 1000 students and starting to attract their target student again.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:22 pm to jb4
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I thought Centenary had an endowment over 100 Million? they should start a football program to bring in male students and be less lesbian no offense
They did. IT was close to $140 MM. Its under $90 MM now. Its how they are staying open.
And the football thing is not the worst idea. Look at a school like Belhaven. Sleepy college in the mid 90s with 400 students. Added football and some other sports, some new degrees, some online programs and they are up over 4000 students 20 years later.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:28 pm to jbgleason
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Would being on probation for financial issues cause one to reconsider attending one of these colleges if you are about to start?
Yes. These small colleges historically have offered a good education, but not a lot of people are familiar with them. What value does a degree have if the school ceases to exist? You may have received a good education, but would prospective employers know that if the school loses accreditation or closes. That's assuming you even graduate before either of those happens.
Posted on 6/20/16 at 12:30 pm to anc
I've said it before and gotten shite on here, but Spring Hill is a weirdo cult and the only kids that don't transfer out after freshman year are the super oddballs and misfits who like the small safe space. That's why it's dying.
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