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Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:27 am to Korkstand
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Well 2 years is a very long fricking time for a respiratory infection. You're right though, we don't know the true long term effects. But what we do know is that heart damage due to covid will be ignored by a significant number of people and it will be blamed on the vaccines instead.
Yep, you will have some people trying to tie every death to the vaccine, while arguing was the death "due to, or with" COVID
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"Long" would be after the symptoms of the viral respiratory infection have cleared up. I thought that was obvious.
Some of us are pretty ignorant of medical intricacies (which is apparent in all of these COVID threads). When I hear the term long, I always assume it means over an extended period of time. Apparently, from your explanation here it could also mean effects into the future that are from signs/symptoms evident now.
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And in the case of physical damage to the heart, the effects can last forever.
Never really thought through the "physical" damage aspect of this. Can only imagine what this (COVID & vaccine damages) will do to future organ donation availability.
Either way, thanks for the response
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 10:28 am
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:29 am to deathvalleytiger10
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Do you agree that the vaccine could be causing the same damage? Or that a combination of covid and the vaccine could as well?
I think it's certainly plausible. But just as we see greater incidence of things like myocarditis from covid infection, I would posit that the instances of these cardiac effects are higher with infection than vaccine. Since most of these acute effects seem to be triggered by something with the spike protein, it would make sense, but the effects would be short-term and fairly quick to see. Any longer-term issues would likely be related to the physiological stress brought on by acute respiratory distress during an infection. That's not a vaccine characteristic.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:29 am to i am dan
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My wife started having irregular heart function (irregular heartbeat) after her first vaccine. Got referred to a cardiologist. She's 44.
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My boss, 46 and gotten every vaccine, just had a heart attack sitting in his office a couple of weeks ago.
If either of these things happened before the shot it wouldn't be shocking...just saying
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 10:30 am
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:31 am to deathvalleytiger10
quote:Vaccines work by causing an immune response similar to an actual infection. There are risks with every vaccine.
Do you agree that the vaccine could be causing the same damage? Or that a combination of covid and the vaccine could as well?
Given the number of actual covid infections and the resulting deaths and complications, and given the number of vaccines administered and the resulting deaths and complications, what do you think of the relative risk?
How deep into the concept of risk assessment do we need to get?
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:32 am to Topwater Trout
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If either of these things happened before the shot it wouldn't be shocking...just saying
Yeah, they would still be shocking.
Neither had any pre-existing conditions of heart problems. Not a thing to indicate a heart problem, ever.
It's no like they have a cholesterol level of 600. Both relatively healthy people. Yeah, it would be shocking for either of them to have these types of things happen.
Even for people talking about they knew someone who dropped dead before there this vaccine existed... that is still shocking.
Anytime a 21 year old collapses from heart issues is shocking.. especially when a cause of death is never reached. vaccine or not.
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 10:36 am
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:33 am to dirty bastard
If you’ve downvoted this I hope it’s because it’s bad news.
All the downvotes doesn’t make it less true.
I work in blood diagnostics and I am seeing a horror show on the horizon.
Now they are changing components of the flu shot since so many refused the Covid shot.
This all cannot be an accident or coincidence. We have the information as a people. What will we do with it.
Heaven help us this will be devastating.
All the downvotes doesn’t make it less true.
I work in blood diagnostics and I am seeing a horror show on the horizon.
Now they are changing components of the flu shot since so many refused the Covid shot.
This all cannot be an accident or coincidence. We have the information as a people. What will we do with it.
Heaven help us this will be devastating.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:34 am to kciDAtaE
Do you need a 100% death rate to see what is happening? Is 50%, 40% 30%?? What number would make the blind see?
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:35 am to dirty bastard
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And I'll say again, THEY AREN'T GONNA SAY IT WAS THE JAB.
So your uneducated fantasy hypothesis should be trusted then? Got it
Source: Trust me bro
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:36 am to thejuiceisloose
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So your uneducated fantasy hypothesis should be trusted then? Got it
Source: Trust me bro
There's no inflation either.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:38 am to i am dan
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Neither had any pre-existing conditions of heart problems. Not a thing to indicate a heart problem, ever.
It's no like they have a cholesterol level of 600. Both relatively healthy people.
My SIL is the picture of health, works out, eats right, and is in med school. She had a heart issue develop in her early 20s. Not much family history for that. It happens. You are reaching.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:38 am to i am dan
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There's no inflation either.
Nor is there a recession. POTATUS had the definition redefined, and so it is written.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:38 am to i am dan
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There's no inflation either.
You're just digging yourself into a deeper hole. Juts because democrats pushed the vaccine does not make it inherently evil.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:40 am to i am dan
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Yeah, they would still be shocking.
not for being in their mid 40's
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Neither had any pre-existing conditions of heart problems. Not a thing to indicate a heart problem, ever.
they were seeing a cardiologist prior to these events?
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Anytime a 21 year old collapses from heart issues is shocking.. especially when a cause of death is never reached. vaccine or not.
this has been happening forever is my point. Athletes dying on the field in practice...of course it's shocking but with how the media is now these events are known by more people making it seem more common.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:40 am to dirty bastard
I am convinced that was the main driver of the pressure placed on Non vaxers. I think they needed to eliminate the control group. In 5 years the cardiac fatalities will be studied against the control group. The results will be hard to explain away.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:42 am to dirty bastard
Vax up!
Boost up!
Protect yourself all you sheeple
Boost up!
Protect yourself all you sheeple
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:45 am to LNCHBOX
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You're just digging yourself into a deeper hole. Juts because democrats pushed the vaccine does not make it inherently evil.
What hole are you talking about? Where did you see me say the vaccine is inherently evil? Politicians on the other hand...
I'm discussing the vaccine debate. I think pretty much all of you are full of shite when talking about this.
We've heard bullshite after bullshite for a long time. Good luck deciphering what's true or not.
I'm fairly open minded about this, but I'll be cynical as necessary.
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:45 am to tigersownall
OT lefties is pretty much a nonexistent group. Almost everybody here voted for trump 2x. Almost no one here supported any kind of mandate for masks or vaccines. You are as bad as any left wing extremists with you crap
This post was edited on 10/20/22 at 10:46 am
Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:46 am to LNCHBOX
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Juts because democrats pushed the vaccine does not make it inherently evil.
Yes it does. The party of pedophilia decided to take the day off only on this one issue? Please.Posted on 10/20/22 at 10:46 am to OGtigerfan87
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OT lefties is pretty much a nonexistent group.
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