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re: Can you teach a child morality without religion?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:34 pm to Dam Guide
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:34 pm to Dam Guide
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It’s classified by the group in power to enforce it. Hitler lost, society has labeled him a freakin psychopath.
So objectively if Hitler had won we would all agree trying to exterminate the Jewish race was morally right?
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Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:47 pm to colorchangintiger
What a load of shite that is.
I stopped reading at “the aborigines had higher moral standards than the settlers”
This is the false idea of the “noble savage”. They might have had some code of ethics but it’s unquestioned that primitive societies have higher levels of violence, war, rape, racism, etc.
Just because you read it in a book doesn’t make it true.
I stopped reading at “the aborigines had higher moral standards than the settlers”
This is the false idea of the “noble savage”. They might have had some code of ethics but it’s unquestioned that primitive societies have higher levels of violence, war, rape, racism, etc.
Just because you read it in a book doesn’t make it true.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 8:53 pm to Dam Guide
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It’s classified by the group in power to enforce it. Hitler lost, society has labeled him a freakin psychopath.
Exactly. So when rules are manmade then the strongest man gets to make the rules of his “religion”.
Why do you pretend like we haven’t been down this road before? Mankind had kings that were “gods” who made rules.
Y’all keep acting like a religion has to have a magical being in the sky. It’s just a set of rules and principles that society decides or is FORCED to accept. When God makes the rules it’s hard for any man to change. When man makes the rules they survive only until the next strongest or most charismatic man comes along.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 9:10 pm to LandPhil
Absolutely you can. All religion does is "reinforce" why morality is so important to a society who takes advice from an "almighty being" as positive and advice from a human as criticism.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 9:10 pm to LandPhil
No because whatever subjective value they place on things is just their own religion
Posted on 10/31/18 at 9:58 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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stopped reading at “the aborigines had higher moral standards than the settlers”
That’s not what it said. It said it would be hard to argue the Christians who dispossed them had superior morals.
If one group is violently massacring another group for little reason can you really say that the group being massacred is LESS moral than the one doing the massacring?
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 10/31/18 at 9:58 pm to LandPhil
Whose morality will you teach?
The MSM says Trump is a bad man. He must be stopped at ALL costs. What morality are they teaching? Where did their morality come from?
You can teach anyone morality without religion, but remember, it will be your version of morality. How do you know your version is right?
Those on the MSM think their version of morality is right.
They claim everyone must tolerate what they believe, but when people disagree with them those people are labelled as racist, bigot, homophobes, etc.
Falsely accusing a person as racist is an immoral act, but it does not stop these people from thinking they are moral people.
God taught the correct morals. It is called the 10 Commandments.
Jesus summed up the 10 Commandments into: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind, and all your strength, and love you neighbor as yourself.
This moral code is only found in religion. The people in the MSM seem to have twisted morality to fit their narrative. The acts they consider to be moral are often immoral, but they can not see it.
The MSM says Trump is a bad man. He must be stopped at ALL costs. What morality are they teaching? Where did their morality come from?
You can teach anyone morality without religion, but remember, it will be your version of morality. How do you know your version is right?
Those on the MSM think their version of morality is right.
They claim everyone must tolerate what they believe, but when people disagree with them those people are labelled as racist, bigot, homophobes, etc.
Falsely accusing a person as racist is an immoral act, but it does not stop these people from thinking they are moral people.
God taught the correct morals. It is called the 10 Commandments.
Jesus summed up the 10 Commandments into: Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your mind, and all your strength, and love you neighbor as yourself.
This moral code is only found in religion. The people in the MSM seem to have twisted morality to fit their narrative. The acts they consider to be moral are often immoral, but they can not see it.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 9:59 pm to LandPhil
Religion doesn’t teach morality. It teaches investing. Be good now so you will be rewarded later.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:06 pm to LandPhil
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Can you teach a child morality without religion? by LandPhil
certainly...most will argue, but I don't see all that strong a connection between religion and morality.
Instead, I think that various religions fill a much more basic human need. We as humans have a real need to know why things are the way they are and that there is some logic and reason as to why things happen. I think religion does a fine job of answering the questions that we just have no answers to. It adds some level of structure and comfort to what we perceive as an out-of-control existence.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:13 pm to sabanisarustedspoke
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All religion does is "reinforce" why morality is so important to a society who takes advice from an "almighty being" as positive and advice from a human as criticism.
So morality is nothing more than a means to an end of a good and prosperous society?
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:13 pm to LandPhil
No
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:21 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
The answer is yes. Humans are social beings by nature, and long for acceptance and love, and dislike fear and anger. That's in our DNA.
Believing in heaven or jesus or the spaghetti monster is not a prerequisite for working toward those things i mentioned.
Much of people's immoral and violent actions, actually, are driven by belief in a particular tenet of whatever religion it is they follow.
Believing in heaven or jesus or the spaghetti monster is not a prerequisite for working toward those things i mentioned.
Much of people's immoral and violent actions, actually, are driven by belief in a particular tenet of whatever religion it is they follow.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:24 pm to colorchangintiger
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If one group is violently massacring another group for little reason can you really say that the group being massacred is LESS moral than the one doing the massacring?
Sure you can. It depends on how you judge the morality of the society.
In addition, most people in this thread are arguing that morality is subjective. Meaning that the conquerors could decide it is more moral to kill/convert these 10,000 aborigines so that the future generations of 10 million aborigines live in a better more moral society.
You also are assuming the aborigines wouldn’t slaughter the conquerors if they had the capability.
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 10:29 pm
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:31 pm to Spankum
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as humans have a real need to know why things are the way they are and that there is some logic and reason as to why things happen
bingo
So god in heaven who created all this or gods on mt Olympus serves that need.
Its childish. Amazing how grown men on here need to defend the silliest parts.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:35 pm to CelticDog
And these people who invented these religions that are still alive today didn't have science. shite, some of them said the sun was a God. How many basic tenets of christianity have been explained by science, meteorology, etc, yet are now just glossed over or explained as "symbolic"? Its weird the pull of it for so many people.
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:40 pm to WaWaWeeWa
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Can you teach a child morality without religion?
Absolutely. I thank my lucky stars I wasn't indoctrinated at a young age. My moral standards are honesty, treating people well, and creating as little suffering for other people as humanly possible. It's pretty simple and is exactly what I will teach my children.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:42 pm to LandPhil
“You don’t need a higher power to know that treating other people the way you would like to be treated is a fairly decent way to go about your daily life.“ from the op.
This is literally the basis of Christianity.
This is literally the basis of Christianity.
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:46 pm to LandPhil
Yes, my children have demonstrated themselves to be moral people and know right and wrong, and beyond that not simply knowing what is right and wrong but have shown me they have an understanding of why it’s right and wrong.
And they are never exposed to religion as a truth. We teach them about the different religions but I don’t tell them one is the gospel truth. We teach them about scientifically found knowledge and they understand that could change as new things are discovered, we also don’t specifically tell them there is no god or that any particular religion is wrong. I want to equip them with the best knowledge base that I can and as they grow up they can choose to become religious or not and I’ll support them if they do. That way they can make their own mind up and actually believe it vs what is essentially brainwashing by telling kids who don’t know any better to believe something.
And they are never exposed to religion as a truth. We teach them about the different religions but I don’t tell them one is the gospel truth. We teach them about scientifically found knowledge and they understand that could change as new things are discovered, we also don’t specifically tell them there is no god or that any particular religion is wrong. I want to equip them with the best knowledge base that I can and as they grow up they can choose to become religious or not and I’ll support them if they do. That way they can make their own mind up and actually believe it vs what is essentially brainwashing by telling kids who don’t know any better to believe something.
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 11:00 pm
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:53 pm to Sofa King Crimson
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Absolutely. I thank my lucky stars I wasn't indoctrinated at a young age. My moral standards are honesty, treating people well, and creating as little suffering for other people as humanly possible. It's pretty simple and is exactly what I will teach my children.
All of these beliefs were created and disseminated through religious societies. I’m saying this as a person who is very skeptical of the existence of god. But you just can’t deny that religion produced our current moral system.
The closest experiment to removing religious morality from society was Marxism. Then the state became “god” and the distributor of morality. That ended in the deaths of millions.
Everyone in this thread is being VERY naive
This post was edited on 10/31/18 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 10/31/18 at 10:59 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Yes, my children have demonstrated themselves to be moral people and know right and wrong, and beyond that not simply knowing what is right and wrong but have shown me they have an understanding of why it’s right and wrong. And they are never exposed to religion as a truth.
Everything they experience in society is a product of a western society based on Judeo-Christian ideas.
In order for your hypothesis to be true you would have to drop your kids off in an uninhabited desert island and come back in 20 years to them having developed a deep understanding of moral conduct.
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