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Can we put the NOLA flooding in perspective?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:04 pm
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:04 pm
8-9 inches in 3 hours. About 3 inches an hour non-stop.
May 1995 flooding had 18-22 inches in 6-7 hours. About 3 inches an hour, nonstop.
Rainfall rates of 3 inches an hour in the city are pretty common - happens a few times a year, really. However, it usually only lasts for 45-60 minutes, 3-4 inches of water pile up in the street, rain stops, it goes down, the end.
What made this somewhat more significant was the fact that it didn't let up for 3 hours. Again... this is pretty rare, but not unheard of.
But in any event... this was not a typical summer thunderstorm, nor was this a result of climate change. It was just a freaky meterological setup where a storm stopped moving that had a tremendous gulf inflow.
The 95 flood brought billions of dollars in drainage improvements to the city. I'm sure there are some things that can be done differently - I'm interested to see, for example, if closing the outflow flood walls and pumping over them is an option. That system is made for hurricanes, and pumping into the lake without closing the floodwall makes no sense... but maybe it's something that can be done.
I'm sure a bigger, better system can be designed... but who will pay for it?
May 1995 flooding had 18-22 inches in 6-7 hours. About 3 inches an hour, nonstop.
Rainfall rates of 3 inches an hour in the city are pretty common - happens a few times a year, really. However, it usually only lasts for 45-60 minutes, 3-4 inches of water pile up in the street, rain stops, it goes down, the end.
What made this somewhat more significant was the fact that it didn't let up for 3 hours. Again... this is pretty rare, but not unheard of.
But in any event... this was not a typical summer thunderstorm, nor was this a result of climate change. It was just a freaky meterological setup where a storm stopped moving that had a tremendous gulf inflow.
The 95 flood brought billions of dollars in drainage improvements to the city. I'm sure there are some things that can be done differently - I'm interested to see, for example, if closing the outflow flood walls and pumping over them is an option. That system is made for hurricanes, and pumping into the lake without closing the floodwall makes no sense... but maybe it's something that can be done.
I'm sure a bigger, better system can be designed... but who will pay for it?
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:07 pm to LSUFanHouston
I thought i saw reports that it was 5.4 over 4 hours.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:07 pm to LSUFanHouston
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but who will pay for it?
Well Mitch found 3 million overnight for the statue removal and then bragged that he could raise 18-20 million privately in no time. Maybe he can do some good.
Oops, nvm he said he could only raise that if people didn't cry about infastructure improvements and he could use it on useless bullshite. And he only finds money to line his and his family's pockets or political careers not to do anything actually meaningful.
So I don't know who will pay for it.
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:08 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I'm sure a bigger, better system can be designed... but who will pay for it?
Well, first we need to do some studies.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:10 pm to LSUFanHouston
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May 1995 flooding had 18-22 inches in 6-7 hours. About 3 inches an hour, nonstop.
No, no it didn't.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:11 pm to LSUFanHouston
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About 3 inches an hour non-stop.
well I got three inches of rain in one hour a few weeks ago. That was on top of the 4.25" of rain the day before. Which was on top of the 3.25" of rain I'd had on the previous Monday (two days prior). So I'd say heavy rains in short spans of time or not an anomaly in this state.
While money is the biggest concern, some routine maintenance would go a long way in helping alleviate the frustration alone, if not the actual problem.
But go ahead and tell me this is a one-off, a freak storm, a "once in 100 years event" or whatever.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:13 pm to tigerinthebueche
Funny how we keep having so many "once-in-a-hundred-years" storms every ten years or so.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:17 pm to slackster
quote:if only we had an almanac that was kept by some farmers to consult on this event
May 1995 flooding had 18-22 inches in 6-7 hours. About 3 inches an hour, nonstop.
No, no it didn't.
The official National Weather Service report, issued in 1997, had...astounding rainfall totals:
27 1/2 inches in 40 hours at Necaise Crossing, Miss., the most in the region
Almost 25 inches in 40 hours near Abita Springs
12 1/4 inches of rain in five hours at Audubon Park in New Orleans
Almost 6 inches of rain in a single hour near Saucier, Miss.
This post was edited on 8/7/17 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:17 pm to teke184
Its not just the frequency of the heavy stationary rains. Its the extended periods of unsettled weather like we've had all summer. And the last. And the last before that.
No, I don't think its man-made global warming. I think its more development and less infrastructure repairs/maint. Our tax dollars at work. But they wonder why voters are unfriendly to new/higher taxes.
No, I don't think its man-made global warming. I think its more development and less infrastructure repairs/maint. Our tax dollars at work. But they wonder why voters are unfriendly to new/higher taxes.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:19 pm to tigerinthebueche
New Orleans needs more taxes!!!
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:20 pm to LSUFanHouston
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I'm sure a bigger, better system can be designed... but who will pay for it?
It won't be the majority of the people who vote for fine leadership like they are getting from Mitch and the crew. It will be the "morons" that he and his ilk LOVE to chastise, while holding their hand out.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:21 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:...Climate Change, the Mayor and NOSWB said so themselves so who are we to question them.
What made this somewhat more significant was
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:21 pm to teke184
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Funny how we keep having so many "once-in-a-hundred-years" storms every ten years or so.
It is a common misconception caused by the title. A 100-year rainfall pattern simply means a 1% chance of occurring on an annual basis.
The chance of having 2 or more 100-year events in a 15 year time frame essentially equal to the chance of having 1 event in any given year.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:28 pm to LSUFanHouston
May 3rd from the late 70s says hello
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:31 pm to Rouge
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12 1/4 inches of rain in five hours at Audubon Park in New Orleans
This is absolutely insane, and it's still 6 inches less than the OP would have you believe.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:38 pm to LSUFanHouston
I was out in the weather all day. The amount of rain wasn't that bad. This 100-year storm story is bullshite. The pumps were not on and the drains were clogged.
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:39 pm to LSUFanHouston
The only perspective is that New Orleans sits in a bowl that's below sea level...it's going to flood every time it rains.
End of story
End of story
Posted on 8/7/17 at 4:42 pm to DustyDinkleman
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The only perspective is that New Orleans sits in a bowl that's below sea level...it's going to flood every time it rains.
End of story
I live in the lowest part of the city, the bottom of the bowl and the water didnt get over the curb on my street.
You sound like an idiot when you have no idea what you're talking about. The whole city is not below sea level

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