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Posted on 12/22/13 at 1:05 pm to EST
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The entire system is dysfunctional and I'm not sure it can be salvaged.
I regretfully agree. I'm 18 years in now, and I've only seen things get progressively worse. I still love to teach, and I teach my arse off. Problem is, the students have no accountability. Even if they fail, they don't. You are then left to teaching to the students who care and have good parental support and the walls. Luckily for me, I'm very well-liked by the vast majority of my students, their parents, and my administration. Therefore, I soldier on. Good luck, EST.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 1:13 pm to EST
Make sure you document everything. Keep a binder. Try to use e-mail as much as possible.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 2:18 pm to EST
I have found that if you suck, they can...lol.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 3:02 pm to EST
Mississippi just toughened the law that restricts administrators from changing teacher grades. Schools face loss of accreditation for doing so.
The general public can misunderstand this. School ratings have more to do with the quality and affluence of students enrolling in the district rather than performance. Teachers who inherent high achieving students can sleep walk through their job.
Some of the best teaching and largest student gains occur in some of the lower rated schools.
ETA: That doesn't mean you'd necessarily want your child in one of those lower grade schools, though.
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I wouldn't enroll my kids in the schools I've worked in. Ive worked in schools rated B, D, and F. Those ratings don't mean squat. I thought the teachers in the D/F schools worked harder and were better than teachers in the B school.
The general public can misunderstand this. School ratings have more to do with the quality and affluence of students enrolling in the district rather than performance. Teachers who inherent high achieving students can sleep walk through their job.
Some of the best teaching and largest student gains occur in some of the lower rated schools.
ETA: That doesn't mean you'd necessarily want your child in one of those lower grade schools, though.
This post was edited on 12/22/13 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 12/22/13 at 4:05 pm to EST
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2011 Louisiana Laws
Revised Statutes
TITLE 17 — Education
RS 17:414.2 — Influence by superintendent, principals, and others on student grades; board's duty; limitations on grade changes
Universal Citation: LA Rev Stat § 17:414.2
§414.2. Influence by superintendent, principals, and others on student grades; board's duty; limitations on grade changes
A. No school board member, school superintendent, assistant superintendent, principal, guidance counselor, other teachers, or other administrative staff members of the school or the central staff of a parish or city school board shall attempt, directly or indirectly, to influence, alter, or otherwise affect the grade received by a student from his teacher except as otherwise specifically permitted by this Section.
B.(1) A teacher's determination of a student's grade as a measure of the academic achievement or proficiency of the student shall not be altered or changed in any manner by any school official or employee other than the teacher except as provided in this Subsection.
(2) A school official or employee having authority pursuant to formally adopted written rules and procedures adopted by the governing authority of the public elementary or secondary school to change a student's grade can take such action only upon it being determined that the grade is an error or that the grade is demonstrably inconsistent with the teacher's grading policy.
C. A teacher's determination of a student's grade as a measure of the academic achievement or proficiency of the student shall not be used in any manner as a basis for assessing or evaluating the teacher's performance except for grade changes occurring pursuant to the provisions of this Section.
Acts 1989, No. 556, §1; Acts 1997, No. 630, §1, eff. July 1, 1997.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 4:28 pm to League Champs
So, in EST's case, it was illegal.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 6:07 pm to High C
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This is my biggest complaint with education these days, as a teacher. There is a lot of lip service given to having high expectations, but we can't actually follow through on it. Try to raise the bar, grades plummet, parents throw a fit, administrators climb up your arse. Just keep everyone happy and pass little Johnny, even though his head hasn't been off of his desk all year.
Maybe, just maybe you hate losing the power to have a negative impact on someone else's life. Why do teacher care about their ability to give a lower grade to a student?
If the kid does not have a clue about the material and they pass him, that I get. But if a student gets a little higher grade than you wanted to give him, why the heck to you care?
Posted on 12/22/13 at 6:09 pm to High C
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Because it's not the grades the students actually made?
Or a power trip.
If they do not know the material why are they even passing? If they do know the material then what does it matter.
Teachers and cops....
Posted on 12/22/13 at 6:33 pm to novabill
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Maybe, just maybe you hate losing the power to have a negative impact on someone else's life. Why do teacher care about their ability to give a lower grade to a student?
Are you serious? Yep, I got into teaching to have a negative impact on kids.
Personally, I'd much rather give kids higher grades. Unfortunately, they don't always earn those. It is people like you who, I take from this, do a lot of talking out of both sides of their mouths.
This post was edited on 12/22/13 at 6:35 pm
Posted on 12/22/13 at 6:48 pm to EST
quote:Not sure how that matters unless they don't know the components of effective teaching.
This is in a high school. None of the administrators were certified teachers in my subject.
quote:Was was used for your pre-test to establish data?
They also threw out all of my mid-term exams (even though my class averages on the mid-term were the same as those in the other teacher's classes of the same subject). Keep in mind, my SLT's (student learning targets) are based partly on the mid-term exam and are used in my evaluation (although this isn't my primary concern). The administrators will not offer reasoning for this.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 6:50 pm to High C
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Are you serious? Yep, I got into teaching to have a negative impact on kids.
Personally, I'd much rather give kids higher grades. Unfortunately, they don't always earn those. It is people like you who, I take from this, do a lot of talking out of both sides of their mouths.
Not saying that is why you went into teaching to start. But, overtime with the power to impact kids lives, I do think many get jaded and begin to focus on the wrong things.
Your concern seems to be the grades and not the knowledge. Which is not uncommon with many educators. The grade is the source of their power.
My son who has always been a AB student just received an F in math because of some missed assignments that were not completed/submitted while his mom was out of town a couple of times during the semester. Sure, he knows the material, but the teacher was able to feel good about making him pay for not getting the work done.
I know that homework is an important part of learning and think he should do his homework. But to fail a student that knows the subject being taught because he did not do your work....
Posted on 12/22/13 at 6:50 pm to High C
quote:They can't. The teacher and admin are supposed to "agree" in setting of SLT's. Doesn't really matter for the next two years though, right?
I don't see how they can directly compromise your SLT's.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 6:55 pm to novabill
quote:Reminds me of, "Is it 'teaching' if they ain't learnin?"
But, overtime with the power to impact kids lives, I do think many get jaded and begin to focus on the wrong things.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:01 pm to novabill
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novabill
You really don't understand why what the OP is asking about is a problem?
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. Sure, he knows the material, but the teacher was able to feel good about making him pay for not getting the work done.
I know that homework is an important part of learning and think he should do his homework. But to fail a student that knows the subject being taught because he did not do your work....
Its people like you that have driven the educational system into a ditch.
"My baby deserved a better grade! It's the teachers fault my kid didn't know the material or do the work! Admins please give me a fake A!"
School isn't JUST there to learn material to regurgitate on a test. You are supposed to learn responsibility and a work ethic as well.
If your kid didn't do the assigned work TOO BAD SO SAD they deserved the F.
Have fun in the real world trying to use the excuse of "Oh well I know the material boss, just lemmie tell everyone at the meeting instead of drawing up the packets I was supposed to make!"
This post was edited on 12/22/13 at 7:12 pm
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:05 pm to Dr RC
quote:I thought his view was somewhat valid. Kids shouldn't "fail" for not completing homework if their unit tests are otherwise "A's".
You really don't understand why what the OP is asking about is a problem?
Its people like you that have driven the educational system into a ditch.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:09 pm to Dr RC
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My baby/I deserved a better grade!
Nope. Could not care what grade he received, he knows the material. The grades are less a reflection of one's actual knowledge than they use to be. I am happy that he knows the math, not that he made some teacher happy enough to bless him with a grade that better not be adjusted by an admin.
Sorry to disappoint
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:11 pm to Dr RC
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School isn't JUST there to learn material to regurgitate on a test. You are supposed to learn responsibility and a work ethic as well.
If you kid didn't do the assigned work TOO BAD SO SAD they deserved the F.
Have fun in the real world trying to use the excuse of "Oh well I know the material boss, just lemmie tell everyone at the meeting instead of drawing up the packets I was supposed to make!"
Ohhh Socialization and not education.
Got it.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:11 pm to novabill
quote:I've always told my kids I'd rather them make a "C" and learn than come home with an "A" from an open book test or an "Easy A" teacher.
Could not care what grade he received, he knows the material.
Posted on 12/22/13 at 7:14 pm to novabill
Guess what? Its also YOUR FAULT that your kid was too lazy to do his work. YOU are teaching your kid shitty lessons. Instead of whining and crying that its not fair you should be telling your kid this is a life lesson in completing your responsibilities.
and YES it IS fair to fail b/c you didnt do your work. Holy shite GTFO with this "well he knew the material" shite.
You are NOT helping your kid with such an idiotic viewpoint.
You can call it socialization of you want but you are supposed to also learn how to be a responsible kid in school and doing your homework is part of it.
Too GD bad that your kid is lazy. Of course, its not totally his fault as he is clearly learning it from you.
This post was edited on 12/22/13 at 7:15 pm
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