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re: Can high speed rail work in the United States?
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:25 pm to Dire Wolf
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:25 pm to Dire Wolf
quote:Fake news.
$25 billion and $30 billion
California’s was projected to be $35 billion. Go look up how much in the red it is now.
Just phase 1 is projected to be anywhere from $50-100 billion more than that.
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Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:26 pm to Dire Wolf
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But the project, estimated to cost between $25 billion and $30 billion
This is just connecting a few areas in Texas. Do the math for the rest of the United States.
And keep in mind government estimates are never accurate. Always much higher.
But I guess it could be worth it if fareplay gets to bring food onboard.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 12:28 pm
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:29 pm to Chucktown_Badger
One of the biggest issues is that trains and tram lines in the northeast work because they travel to city centers.
No one would ride on the NYC subway if you had to take a taxi after getting off in order to travel to your destination.
US cities would have to be completely redesigned.
No one would ride on the NYC subway if you had to take a taxi after getting off in order to travel to your destination.
US cities would have to be completely redesigned.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:31 pm to Scruffy
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California’s was projected to be $35 billion. Go look up how much in the red it is now.
Just phase 1 is projected to be anywhere from $50-100 billion more than that.
i doubt a single line of rail is ever dropped in Texas.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:31 pm to Dire Wolf
The point of all these projects are to enrich via government funds, not actually build anymore.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:32 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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The time, effort, and costs to put in high speed rail where it would be most used and beneficial makes my head hurt. Knowing those trains cannot use the same tracks and routes as regular train traffic it would all have to be new.
I agree 100% - my post was more that we cannot maintain trains/tracks in a freight capacity, but anyone that believes it will magically be different with high speed commuter trains are delusional on an unprecedented level.
i say instead of that, lets improve the power grid, and no really build new ones, but let's repair all the defective, aged equipment out there.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:34 pm to bad93ex
Taking Amtrak to Birmingham next week. Hopping on at Slidell. $24 each way. Alas, 9 hours…
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:37 pm to bad93ex
In very specific corridors. Nowhere else.
Its backwards. The USA covers vast distances.
Its backwards. The USA covers vast distances.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:38 pm to tigerpawl
it is a fun 9 hours though :)
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:38 pm to fareplay
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His rail time was longer but he was more relaxed and able to bring food home meanwhile I was more limited in capacity and airport was more chaotic
shite, you had a hectic day and couldn’t bring food on the trip? frick it, let’s spend a trillion dollars to make you more comfortable for 30 minutes.
This post was edited on 4/15/24 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:39 pm to fareplay
there would have to be a need to justify putting a stop in a smaller city during construction
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:39 pm to bad93ex
Ran by the same folks running Amtrak?
Hard pass.
Hard pass.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:39 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Also in the OP scenario you would skip the airport, but you'd still have to experience a train station with the same level of security/baggage handling, etc. So that's basically a wash.
This may be true for larger stations like NYC, but catching the train in Boston or DC isn't nearly as inconvenient as a major Airport.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:40 pm to AubieinNC2009
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there would have to be a need to justify putting a stop in a smaller city during construction
Governors brother in law needs to get paid too.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:48 pm to greenbean
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This may be true for larger stations like NYC, but catching the train in Boston or DC isn't nearly as inconvenient as a major Airport.
Yeah, but I still don't see how this justifies the obscene investment of taxpayer dollars. Invest a fraction of a fraction of that money into improving the airports to better move people through and make that experience better. Admittedly, that's already happening in a bunch of places (see: LaGuardia)
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:49 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Yeah, but I still don't see how this justifies the obscene investment of taxpayer dollars. Invest a fraction of a fraction of that money into improving the airports to better move people through and make that experience better. Admittedly, that's already happening in a bunch of places (see: LaGuardia)
Hell, just get rid of TSA and 90% of airport hassle is done. Make the checkpoint simply a boarding pass checkpoint and bam, all good.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 12:55 pm to bad93ex
Highways and airports "work" in the US...in that it is theoretically possible to get from point A to point B utilizing either. Most likely it is going to be, at best, an irritating experience, but they theoretically work.
Trains may be another can of worms. You can't have unexpected delays the likes of which take place daily at US airports and on US highways with a train....because they only have one track in most places. Its truly amazing freight trains manage in this country, passenger trains are probably relics of a bygone area. Add to the fact that people in the US ain't willing to walk across a parking lot much less several blocks from a train station to the center of town and trains just aren't realistic in the US>
Trains may be another can of worms. You can't have unexpected delays the likes of which take place daily at US airports and on US highways with a train....because they only have one track in most places. Its truly amazing freight trains manage in this country, passenger trains are probably relics of a bygone area. Add to the fact that people in the US ain't willing to walk across a parking lot much less several blocks from a train station to the center of town and trains just aren't realistic in the US>
Posted on 4/15/24 at 1:03 pm to poochie
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Here’s an example. I’ve traveled from Houma to Hammond a bunch recently. That about 1.5-2 hours. A little shorter than Paris to London by train. But I’d much rather get in my vehicle and drive there when I’m ready, arrive when I want, stop where I want, etc.
90 minutes from Hammond to Houma and 6 1/2 hours London to Paris. There is a sizeable body of water between London and Paris to contend with also and the only way across it, in a car, is either on a train or a boat.
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Americans are inherently independent and want to drive themselves. We don’t want to be packed into a train and go where everyone else is going.
Independent Americans spend an awful lot of time in traffic going, if not the exact same place as everyone else, at least the exact same direction. That said Europeans prefer driving also...theirs is as much a car culture as the US's is. Most of the trains are EMPTY other than morning and afternoon commuters. It is far cheaper to drive in Europe also unless you are alone...trains are damned expensive. FInally you gotta be willing to continue on from the train station to your destination either on foot or a combo of other forms of public transport and walking...Americans can't walk further than the handicapped parking spot to the walmart...they sure as hell ain't walking 10 blocks and toting groceries....
Posted on 4/15/24 at 1:09 pm to UGATiger26
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ou could live in Paris, Rome, or Madrid for an entire year without ever needing to get inside a car.
You'd most likely do a lot of walking or bicycling, something Americans are unable to do. I watched 6 year old kids walking to school in German, by themselves, for nearly 7 years...while American kids had to be driven to school on base, most of them less than 1/4 mile away. You will see octogenarians bicycling daily, 20-30 kms to go to doctor appointments and the market....if you did that long in the US you'd be run down for sport.
Posted on 4/15/24 at 1:09 pm to bad93ex
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Can high speed rail work in the United States?
trump is one of the few people who "could" do it, but there are way too many other things that need fixing for him to work on
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