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Can any of you AC guys explain the upcoming changes with Freon to propane?
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:14 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:14 pm
We have 3 units that are all around 10 years old. I’m being told it will cost about 10k to convert the units to propane or I can take a chance and hope something doesn’t break. My AC guy installed the units and has always been upfront with me. My neighbor just converted his 2 units
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:18 pm to Bourre
Go rent a big welder hook it up to your ac unit crank up the amps fry the bastard call insurance lighting strike!
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:20 pm to Bourre
I think you're confused. I'm not an AC guy but they are switching to a new refrigerant. Supposedly because it's more flammable the new units need some sort of fire safety mechanisms. I don't think you have to convert your unit though. It's only when purchasing new.
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 6:21 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:29 pm to Bourre
If you want to stick with a 410A unit you need to switch before January. If theres nothing wrong with your units Im not sure I would do anything.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:39 pm to Bourre
Don’t do anything till they fail
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:45 pm to Bourre
Just the UN making our laws for us, that's all. EPA is following international lead on killing off one refrigerant after another. "Freon" is R-12, that's been gone since, what, the 1990's? Carbon dioxide at very high pressure is the end game, but the tech isn't quite ready yet and no one can patent CO2, so they'll fuss about it being a GHG and stick with something flammable that is also a GHG.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:47 pm to heatom2
Mine are 15 years old and have been limping them along this summer.
AC guy is replacing them next week.he’s charging his costs for units and materials and very little on labor. Saving me about 6k on comparable units if I wait until next year.
If you think you going to need it by next summer you might want to consider doing it before the end of the year.
My AC guy is worried that the spare parts for current units are going to be harder to find within the next couple of years.
AC guy is replacing them next week.he’s charging his costs for units and materials and very little on labor. Saving me about 6k on comparable units if I wait until next year.
If you think you going to need it by next summer you might want to consider doing it before the end of the year.
My AC guy is worried that the spare parts for current units are going to be harder to find within the next couple of years.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:49 pm to TigerFred
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My AC guy is worried that the spare parts for current units are going to be harder to find within the next couple of years.
My AC guy mentioned this as well
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:49 pm to TigerHornII
How much ozone is actually saved by moving to the new refrigerants?
I cant imagine there was so much leaking Freon that the EPA had to step in and ban Freon
I cant imagine there was so much leaking Freon that the EPA had to step in and ban Freon
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:51 pm to TigerHornII
Freon" is R-12, that's been gone since, what, the 1990's
R-12 has been banned since the 90s. Freon is a brand name of refrigerants. Its still sold.
R-12 has been banned since the 90s. Freon is a brand name of refrigerants. Its still sold.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 6:53 pm to BurningHeart
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I cant imagine there was so much leaking Freon that the EPA had to step in and ban Freon
Not the first time the EPA fricked around with Freon. The 90’s were a bitch with changes because of abolishing R-12.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:00 pm to Cracker
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Go rent a big welder hook it up to your ac unit crank up the amps fry the bastard call insurance lighting strike!
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Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:14 pm to Bourre
They are not switching to propane. They are switching from R-410A to R-32 and R-454B. These refrigerants have a slightly higher flammability, but they aren't propane. If your AC guy told you they're switching to propane then you need a new AC guy.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:35 pm to efrad
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If your AC guy told you they're switching to propane then you need a new AC guy.
I was told what the AC guy said via my wife. She tried to take notes since I wasn’t home. She more than likely got the propane info wrong
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:37 pm to Bourre
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Can any of you AC guys explain the upcoming changes with Freon to propane?
Just make sure you don’t use your furnace during the winter..
This post was edited on 10/3/24 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:41 pm to Bourre
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via my wife
Pics to determine if she’s accurate or not.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:41 pm to Bourre
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I was told what the AC guy said via my wife
Well if that’s the case…
Pics?
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:46 pm to Bourre
I don't have anything to add but wanted to mention my AC guy (who is originally from Metairie) moon lights as an Elvis impersonator.
Neither one of us will work on Jan 8th.
Neither one of us will work on Jan 8th.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:47 pm to Bourre
Times like these I’m glad I married into a family of A/C HVAC repair baws, instead of Wall Street bankers.
Posted on 10/3/24 at 7:50 pm to Hangover Haven
Neither R32 or R454B contains propane. Actually R410A is 60% R32. Yes, both are slightly more flammable than R410a. But the the PPM required for it to flame up, is very very high. There are multiple videos on YouTube of both R32 & R454B being released straight to a lighter and the both blow the flame out. R32 has been used for years in Europe and Asia. It has been proven as a safe refrigerant. R32 is more efficient and requires less volume to get the same capacity (btu's) than R410A does.
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