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re: Calling all Psychologists, Physicists, Engineers, etc

Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:28 pm to
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42478 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:28 pm to
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Psychology takes the hard science and applies it to human conditions.



How so?

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Some of the best math came from finance or economics minds.



Neither is psychology though.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
35068 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:28 pm to
Some categories of people have the inside line on manipulating the examination though. Those who have been down the same road a couple few times and pretty much know precisely what to expect beforehand; and probably lawyers. Lol
Posted by MugMan
Member since Dec 2022
442 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:28 pm to
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As far as behavior is concerned, a person could make you observe anything they wanted you to, right? I think that’s the issue I can’t really reconcile.

It's not difficult to tell who is full of shite.


Maybe they're not lying. Maybe they're just acting. The world has good actors does it not?
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
Member since Jan 2007
34442 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:32 pm to
Absolutely, all paranoid schizophrenics are amazing actors.
Posted by MugMan
Member since Dec 2022
442 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:34 pm to
Your implication is that the presentation of all paranoid schizophrenics is exactly identical?
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
78028 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:35 pm to
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Maybe they're not lying. Maybe they're just acting. The world has good actors does it not?
Not good enough to consistently mimic the symptoms of schizophrenia.
Posted by The Third Leg
Idiot Out Wandering Around
Member since May 2014
11752 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:40 pm to
The study of real psychiatric disorders is indeed a science.

The study of much social psychology is absolute pseudoscience. There is big money in diagnosing normal human behaviors as disorders.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42478 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:43 pm to
So, there is big money giving 13 year olds being 13 year olds methamphetamine during puberty?
Posted by ChEgrad
Member since Nov 2012
3761 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:47 pm to
Not yet. I think over 70% of psychology experiments can’t be replicated. Might be higher - I can’t remember the number. Non-replication is higher than one would think in the hard sciences, but psychology is way worse.

Perhaps it is not the “science” of psychology that is so bad, but the pressure to publish and a lack of integrity in the field leads to the manufacture of fraudulent data and misinterpretation of the data they do get.
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42478 posts
Posted on 12/26/22 at 11:50 pm to
Thank you for explaining it scientifically.
Posted by Most Points Win
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2022
87 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:01 am to
Have those scientific engineers and physicists rise to their fullest potential in their science without deep understanding of human leadership, behavior, thinking, and emotions…

Best wishes having Physics solely answer some of the big questions of human experience such as happiness, depression, motivation, memory, attention, personality traits, organic brain disorders, etc and bonus questions around why humans would ever participate in a genocide (we malleable bags of chemistry), for historical changing example.

If gravity, electromagnetism, time, and space were the only things to explain your personal relationships, there would be far fewer divorces, therapy costs, and Xanax pills.
Posted by Most Points Win
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2022
87 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:07 am to
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What does the science of psychology prove in their psychology labs?


How and why you learned what you learned in those chemistry labs, for one example.
Posted by Most Points Win
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2022
87 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:21 am to
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I think over 70% of psychology experiments can’t be replicated.


Water freezes at 0 degrees Celsius. This is universal (happens everywhere, has happened to beginning of time, presently, and will happen into future).

Your decision to study Chemical Engineering (factors such as your personality, cognitive wiring, motivation for things like money/status/solving ChemE problems/etc) are more contextual than universal. Positivism struggles to reduce human experience to explain it.

Ironic really in the context of OP’s post.
Posted by Celery
Nuevo York
Member since Nov 2010
11619 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 12:34 am to
Yep. Technically a social science, it uses the scientific method to study behavior and is generally evidence based. Much of it is informed by is interlinked with neuroscience and pharmacology. It does seem however, that psychology is not yet all that well understood and much of it is without consensus.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3180 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 1:51 am to
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Not yet. I think over 70% of psychology experiments can’t be replicated. Might be higher - I can’t remember the number. Non-replication is higher than one would think in the hard sciences, but psychology is way worse.

Perhaps it is not the “science” of psychology that is so bad, but the pressure to publish and a lack of integrity in the field leads to the manufacture of fraudulent data and misinterpretation of the data they do get.


Lee Jussim has done a ton of work trying to highlight the failures of Social Sciences at the moment (re: replication problem).

Posted by LordSaintly
Member since Dec 2005
42046 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 2:38 am to
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What does the science of psychology prove in their psychology labs?


Never heard of the Stanford Prison Experiment, Stockholm Syndrome, or the Bystander Effect? Those are all the result of psychological studies.

They prove aspects of human behavior.
Posted by LSUTigahss
Member since Feb 2021
948 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:09 am to
Yes it is. It’s a theoretical science, but it’s a science.
American Psychological Association would be the governing body.

For anybody that thinks these mental disorders are fabricated, come walk a few days in my shoes and have a conversation with somebody who thinks they can physically levitate in meditation or the person who believes that angels touch them and speak to them because they are a messiah.

It is one of the strangest feelings I’ve ever felt having somebody explain to me an entirely delusional belief and not being able to break that delusion at all. Stuff is very real and very concerning.
Posted by mattchewbocca
houma, la
Member since Jun 2008
6521 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 3:55 am to
Why do when people create evil acts so their eyes go black? As if they’re soulless?
This post was edited on 12/27/22 at 3:56 am
Posted by Errerrerrwere
Member since Aug 2015
42478 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:50 am to
Okay the law of Stockholm Syndrome. Got it.
Posted by olemissfan26
MS
Member since Apr 2012
6811 posts
Posted on 12/27/22 at 4:59 am to
Now that the patient can never be wrong and must be affirmed no matter how crazy they are I think it’s BS.

The true psychologists out there need to win back their field or it will just be an affirmation pill mill.
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