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re: California officially becomes first in nation mandating solar power for new homes
Posted on 12/6/18 at 8:51 pm to dbbuilder79
Posted on 12/6/18 at 8:51 pm to dbbuilder79
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They wouldn't be ideal for y'all in the south, but for the southwest, Midwest, and areas that have sun for more than 200 days of the year, it would be a HUGE benefit to our power grid out here.
But again, at what cost? If you’re wanting to covert while regions of the nation over to solar, sure that sounds good. But stop and think about what you’re actually proposing and what would go into doing it. Sure, when you think “solar” you get an image of these sleek, clean looking panels of glass. It there is more of them than just those panels. That’s only one part. There’s also thee things called batteries that are part of that system. Andcsure, battery tech has improved. But the fact is, to power and entire structure, you’re gonna have to have banks of big assed batteries full of things like lead and acid. And if you had any idea the “environmental impact” of producing batteries, industrial batteries that are used in these systems, I promise you you would not be infavor of upping battery production by however many binders of percentages it would take to meet the demand you’re talking about creating.
***NEWSFLASH FOLKS***
Producing batteries is horrible on the environment. Far worse than drilling oil or even mining coal.
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Posted on 12/6/18 at 8:52 pm to Darth_Vader
For y'all back east, it sounds sensible. Power is cheap and readily available. But out west, something has to be done. The power from the Hoover dam is maxed, and is almost all going to L.A.
There are a number of housing codes that are enforced for the betterment of the public. I'm sure that the founding fathers are "rolling in their graves" over things such as sewer over septics and other basics like that.
There are a number of housing codes that are enforced for the betterment of the public. I'm sure that the founding fathers are "rolling in their graves" over things such as sewer over septics and other basics like that.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 8:55 pm to Pelican fan99
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Well this is guaranteed to be a disaster but more power to California.
ISWYDT
Posted on 12/6/18 at 8:58 pm to Darth_Vader
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batteries
You don't need batteries for solar. You are still on the grid, so your panels are feeding into that. If you produce more than you use, you get a 'credit'.
At night or when there's no sunlight, you feed off the grid and eat up your credits.
Maybe if you lived in an area where a 2000 sq ft home averages $350 a month for a power bill, you would understand.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:03 pm to dbbuilder79
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But out west, something has to be done.
Stop being a bunch of ignorant panty waists and start building nuclear plants. You get 24 MILLION times the KWh out of uranium that you would the equivalent weight in solar panels.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:04 pm to dbbuilder79
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You don't need batteries for solar. You are still on the grid,
So solar is replacing the “grid” but for it to work you still need the grid.
Got it.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:06 pm to Lima Whiskey
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I don't have the right. It's my opinion. There's plenty of things out west that people who build larger houses have to do to accommodate the public infrastructure. In Clark county, you have to have sprinklers in your home if it's X-amount of feet from a fire hydrant or over a certain amount of SQ footage.
They've laxxed on that a bit, but there was a good reason for it. (The water lines in a lot of the rural areas were only 6" and needed to be 8"+ for more hydrants).
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What gives you the right to tell them what to do?
I don't have the right. It's my opinion. There's plenty of things out west that people who build larger houses have to do to accommodate the public infrastructure. In Clark county, you have to have sprinklers in your home if it's X-amount of feet from a fire hydrant or over a certain amount of SQ footage.
They've laxxed on that a bit, but there was a good reason for it. (The water lines in a lot of the rural areas were only 6" and needed to be 8"+ for more hydrants).
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:08 pm to Darth_Vader
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replacing
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Who said that? It sounds like you are greatly misinformed and lack reading comprehension.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:11 pm to RLDSC FAN
It never ceases to amaze me how so many know-it-alls on this site don’t know shite 
I don’t like government telling you what you have to do like this especially when it’s adding cost to an already expensive home purchase but solar makes a lot of sense for the west coast with the expensive electric rates and even more for California who’s buying it from other states. A $10,000 add on really isn’t much but it’s probably not that big of a system either. It will pay for itself quickly.
They don’t need batteries as they have net metering LINK
Batteries are ok if you want backup power but in CA batteries aren’t needed yet like they are getting to more and more here in Hawaii as the state has reduced net metering rates. But our cost of electricity makes a solar system even with batteries pay itself off in less than 7 years in most cases. Yes, that’s because of tax credits. Credits are against your tax liability so the Fed isn’t writing you a check. It’s your own money you would’ve paid in taxes you get to keep. I’m ok with that since the Fed has shown no ability to use my tax dollars correctly.
Some other replies to claims, warranties are 25 years on panels and the good ones last even longer than that. Nowadays panels guarantee 90%+ production over 25 years. Solar has been around a long time and they have shown to last. Technology is fast but it’s not so fast your solar system will be outdated in 2 years Anyway, who gives a shite as long as its still offsetting your electric bill?
TL;DR Solar can be a really good investment for many homeowners but not all states obviously. There’s lots of misinformation in this thread sprinkled with some truth.
I don’t like government telling you what you have to do like this especially when it’s adding cost to an already expensive home purchase but solar makes a lot of sense for the west coast with the expensive electric rates and even more for California who’s buying it from other states. A $10,000 add on really isn’t much but it’s probably not that big of a system either. It will pay for itself quickly.
They don’t need batteries as they have net metering LINK
Batteries are ok if you want backup power but in CA batteries aren’t needed yet like they are getting to more and more here in Hawaii as the state has reduced net metering rates. But our cost of electricity makes a solar system even with batteries pay itself off in less than 7 years in most cases. Yes, that’s because of tax credits. Credits are against your tax liability so the Fed isn’t writing you a check. It’s your own money you would’ve paid in taxes you get to keep. I’m ok with that since the Fed has shown no ability to use my tax dollars correctly.
Some other replies to claims, warranties are 25 years on panels and the good ones last even longer than that. Nowadays panels guarantee 90%+ production over 25 years. Solar has been around a long time and they have shown to last. Technology is fast but it’s not so fast your solar system will be outdated in 2 years
Anyway, who gives a shite as long as its still offsetting your electric bill? TL;DR Solar can be a really good investment for many homeowners but not all states obviously. There’s lots of misinformation in this thread sprinkled with some truth.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:12 pm to Darth_Vader
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So solar is replacing the “grid”
And for the record, I think solar fields are horrible. They basically stripmine hundreds of acres for the solar fields that do a whole lot more damage to the local wildlife than a gas or coal fired plant ever could.
But panels or tiles on a house is a great solution. I think that all the high-rises should be required to have them too.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:12 pm to Sho Nuff
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Sho Nuff
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Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:22 pm to dbbuilder79
Also, Hawaii passed a law in 2009 requiring new construction to add solar water to new builds. It’s been a great thing for homeowners as hot water can account for up to 40% of a families electric bill. They save hundreds a month in some cases and don’t even realize it as the house came with it. The house I recently bought has PV and Solar Water and I pay about $20 a month compared to my neighbors paying $300+
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:23 pm to Sho Nuff
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A $10,000 add on really isn’t much but it’s probably not that big of a system either. It will pay for itself quickly.
I dont see how this is true. Energy storage capabilities arent great and how long will these panels even last? What's the long term cost over 30 years? Includes panel maintenance, battery replacement cost etc.
This post was edited on 12/6/18 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:26 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Not really, especially batteries. Cell phones are still using the same batteries they were using 10 years ago. Lithium ion. They've only improved the power consumed in the phone.
If there was a truly superior battery technology, the smartphone industry would almost have to be the first to move on using it.
Exactly, anybody that says batteries have made some drastic improvement or are forever changing shows their ignorance in the engineering concepts of DC power.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:28 pm to Sho Nuff
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Also, Hawaii passed a law in 2009 requiring new construction to add solar water to new builds. It’s been a great thing for homeowners as hot water can account for up to 40% of a families electric bill.
We moved out there into a new house in '08 and it had a solar water heater. It was the only water heater in the house so lukewarm water on cloudy days.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:30 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I dont see how this is true. Energy storage capabilities arent great
Y'all have to stop thinking about this like it's in Louisiana. Out west, when it is sunny, your panels feed power to your house AND the power grid. Your power meter will run backwards. So, at night you will be using public power, but the credit you built up during the day covers that cost.
No batteries or storage unless you want to be off the grid.
Last time I priced it out, it was $15,000 for a new install.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:39 pm to Darth_Vader
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Statements like this make our founding fathers roll in their grave. If they could come to today and see what’s become of the constitutional republic of states they gave us now, they’d have problably thrown the Declaration of Independence in the fire and sent word to King George we wanted back in.
Look on the internet. There is actually a strong argument made by many persons that the US would have been better off as a colony.
It's mostly Tories and traditional British conservatives, but they make a rather strong argument. Similar to the ones we make about the American Civil War.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:52 pm to tiggerthetooth
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I dont see how this is true. Energy storage capabilities arent great and how long will these panels even last? What's the long term cost over 30 years? Includes panel maintenance, battery replacement cost etc.
As already mentioned you don’t need a battery in CA. Tesla offers 14 kWh storage so you’re wrong when you say “aren’t great” but it does cost $10,000+ just for a Tesla install. Anyway, $10,000 probably buys about 10-15 panels or so with it happening during construction. That should be around $100 worth of energy and maybe more depending on electric rates there. Less than 10 year break even without calculating tax credits.
What panel maintenance are you talking about? They have a 25 year warranty and just sit there. The inverters could have an issue but many of those have 25 year warranties as well so maybe you just pay $500 for labor in 10-15 years for that.
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:54 pm to northshorebamaman
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We moved out there into a new house in '08 and it had a solar water heater. It was the only water heater in the house so lukewarm water on cloudy days.
You do realize a solar water tank is still connected to the grid for these examples right? There’s gauges you can set so if it drops below a certain temperature the grid helps. I hope you didn’t take warm showers when it was easy to have the grid help on those few cloudy days
Posted on 12/6/18 at 9:56 pm to Sho Nuff
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You do realize a solar water tank is still connected to the grid for these examples right? There’s gauges you can set so if it drops below a certain temperature the grid helps. I hope you didn’t take warm showers when it was easy to have the grid help on those few cloudy days
I don't know. I didn't frick with it.
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