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re: Bud Light suffers bloodbath as longtime and loyal consumers revolt
Posted on 4/13/23 at 4:29 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 4/13/23 at 4:29 pm to Korkstand
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And being generally opposed to almost all bans, I just don't see the need to ban a set of treatments or procedures that can and have improved lives.
Really? So giving puberty blockers (and drugs used for chemical castration) can and has improved the lives of 7 year olds?
Because at this point, we only have 1 test case of a child who went through this type of treatment prior to puberty and is now an adult.
Would you like to guess how it's going for them?
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Posted on 4/13/23 at 4:38 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:You frickers just can't help yourselves, can you? Let's just take the most extreme case we can think of for every bad thing that could happen and write a law for it.
Really? So giving puberty blockers (and drugs used for chemical castration) can and has improved the lives of 7 year olds?
quote:I don't know, how would that life be going otherwise?
Because at this point, we only have 1 test case of a child who went through this type of treatment prior to puberty and is now an adult.
Would you like to guess how it's going for them?
Posted on 4/13/23 at 4:45 pm to Korkstand
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And being generally opposed to almost all bans, I just don't see the need to ban a set of treatments or procedures that can and have improved lives.
An interesting way to term permanent dismemberment due to mental issues.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 4:46 pm to Korkstand
quote:The law is kinda meant to stop the extremes yes? Murder is extreme. It’s relatively rare all things considered. Doing really bad things isn’t the norm. But they happen. And there are laws meant to punish those who do bad things both as a deterrent and as an Avenue for recourse.
Let's just take the most extreme case we can think of for every bad thing that could happen and write a law for it.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 4:53 pm to Korkstand
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You frickers just can't help yourselves, can you? Let's just take the most extreme case we can think of for every bad thing that could happen and write a law for it.
It has happened, it is happening. It's not even the most extreme case anymore, it's becoming a common occurrence.
Do we allow adults to frick 7 year olds?
Do we allow adults to beat 7 year olds to a pulp?
Why not? Not our children, not our business, right?
I hate government overreach more than anything..except child abuse. Since we have laws against being a vigilante, who shoul protect the kids?
Posted on 4/13/23 at 4:55 pm to Vols&Shaft83
He’s trying to be so passive about this that he’s willing to agree to letting anorexic and bulimic young girls get liposuction if a parent and doctor agree to it. Unreal.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 5:00 pm to Korkstand
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You frickers just can't help yourselves, can you?
Acknowledge morals?
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Let's just take the most extreme case we can think of for every bad thing that could happen and write a law for it.
There are hospitals that have units that do this exact thing. Libs of tictok pointed this out actually.
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I don't know, how would that life be going otherwise?
What do you mean by this? Are you insinuating their life has been made no different by the addition of hormone therapy?
Posted on 4/13/23 at 5:03 pm to Korkstand
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I don't know, how would that life be going otherwise?
With proper counseling..... I would imagine very different. There was a time when this sort of transition required hundreds of hours of therapy to ascertain if a person believed this was a magic pill that would somehow fix all of their problems.
That requirement has since fallen by the wayside.
Why?
My friend's daughter declared herself trans roughly three years ago. Her mother made her wait. Three years later, she realizes she's actually just a lesbian. A few months after and she's actually bi.
I wonder how she'd feel to be heavily muscled and sterile?
Kids have no business making life changing decisions. That's why they are kids. Experiment. Go crazy. But don't do anything permanent.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 5:11 pm to Korkstand
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But I guess being opposed to government involvement except when absolutely necessary makes me a progressive.
The government is already involved in facilitating and protecting various aspects of Tranny world.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 5:15 pm to Korkstand
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And being generally opposed to almost all bans, I just don't see the need to ban a set of treatments or procedures that can and have improved lives.
Because of your particular bias. We limit things kids do all the time to protect themselves from their under developed minds.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 5:31 pm to Havoc
Posted on 4/13/23 at 6:06 pm to HubbaBubba
Pretty telling that Bud Light has not tweeted anything since April 1. Looks like they are hoping all this just blows over
Posted on 4/13/23 at 6:14 pm to jnethe1
quote:We can acknowledge morals and live morally while opposing the legislation of morality.
Acknowledge morals?
quote:I mean is the life better or worse than it would have been otherwise? Would it still even be a life anymore? Can we acknowledge that some lives end very soon due to lack of support?
What do you mean by this? Are you insinuating their life has been made no different by the addition of hormone therapy?
Posted on 4/13/23 at 6:31 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:Parents? Community? Existing law against child abuse? There are far worse things happening to kids and at a much higher clip than what we're talking about here.
I hate government overreach more than anything..except child abuse. Since we have laws against being a vigilante, who shoul protect the kids?
I'm just asking the "slippery slope" crowd to remember their small government principles as they invite the government into their medical and parenting affairs.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 6:34 pm to Korkstand
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There are far worse things happening to kids
Than fundamentally changing chemistry and parts while cognitively under developed?
That's going to be a tiny list.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 6:43 pm to Korkstand
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Existing law against child abuse?
You don't think chemically castrating a child who doesn't understand the consequences qualifies as child abuse?
You're a sick frick, you know that?
Posted on 4/13/23 at 6:58 pm to Korkstand
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but in my experience if you tell someone (especially kids) that they absolutely cannot do something, that just makes them want it more.
This is correct but if you outlaw transitions until adulthood - they won’t have a path to take action.
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I think eliminating some treatments as a last resort will do more harm than good on the whole.
The treatments should be eliminated until adulthood based on research alone. We have 25 years of excellent research that shows transitions in children and adolescents lead to worse outcomes. It’s not an opinion - it is a fact.
It baffles me that we are approaching this problem as if it has “never been tried before”. It has and it failed.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 7:06 pm to Vols&Shaft83
quote:Yes, I do think that qualifies as abuse. Do I win a prize?
You don't think chemically castrating a child who doesn't understand the consequences qualifies as child abuse?
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You're a sick frick, you know that?
Posted on 4/13/23 at 7:12 pm to SECdragonmaster
quote:So... we should ban statistically poor decisions?
The treatments should be eliminated until adulthood based on research alone. We have 25 years of excellent research that shows transitions in children and adolescents lead to worse outcomes. It’s not an opinion - it is a fact.
It baffles me that we are approaching this problem as if it has “never been tried before”. It has and it failed.
Call me crazy, or a "sick frick", or whatever else, but I'm gonna have to go with education (for parents, children, doctors, everyone), support, and prosecuting child abuse on a case by case basis over supporting the legislation of morality and parenting.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 7:16 pm to SECdragonmaster
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The treatments should be eliminated until adulthood based on research alone. We have 25 years of excellent research that shows transitions in children and adolescents lead to worse outcomes. It’s not an opinion - it is a fact.
It baffles me that we are approaching this problem as if it has “never been tried before”. It has and it failed.
it wasn't big money before.
The AMA and APA are all in on it. Like that vanderbilt physician circa 2022 who bragged about how much money transgender surgeries were making.
Exact quote: "“The female-to-male bottom surgeries, these are huge moneymakers." “They make money,”
Vanderbilt suspended the surgeries since then, I don't believe they have resumed them either. All about optics.
Ultimately its not based on science of evidence based practice, and its become a weird scientology-esque cult in and of itself.
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