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re: Bud Light suffers bloodbath as longtime and loyal consumers revolt
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:53 am to ell_13
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:53 am to ell_13
quote:Can you write a law to prevent a case like this while still allowing similar legit operations? How should government oversee and administer this? How much do you want government involved in medicine?
You don’t think a law should prevent something like this?
quote:Your link talks about the lawsuit. What, exactly, are you advocating for?
Or be in place to give kids an Avenue to sue and be compensated for the harm?
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Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:58 am to Korkstand
quote:Examples?
Yep, including some that prevent legit life-saving treatment.
quote:Restricting everyone from a specific thing is usually what good laws do. It’s the general ones up for interpretation that frick people over.
What I'm telling you is that I am not a doctor and that I don't know what the patient needs. I'm also telling you that I'm not cool with putting laws on the books which bar specific things and restrict everyone because a few people push it too far.
quote:The current debate is whether or not gender surgery and/or puberty blockers constitutes harm. Apparently, it’s not clear enough that removing the capability to ever procreate from kids and adolescents is harmful.
Are there not already child endangerment laws which may apply and which will be interpreted on a case by case basis?
quote:How not? Again, they are both forms of body dysmorphia. They belong in the exact same category according to the scientific definition.
Because they're not the same.
quote:Harm is harm. The government makes that determination all the time. It’s literally it’s job to keep people from harming others and to punish those who do. Telling anorexic girls who believe that they are fat that they are indeed fat and require medical intervention just to affirm their dysmorphia in the name of their mental health is the exact same as telling someone with gender dysphoria that they are indeed another gender and require medical intervention. It’s not mentally or physically healthy in either case. That wasn’t a debate 15 years ago.
One drastic measure would likely lead to death while the other could lead to a long life and better mental health. Who are you or I or government to make that determination?
Posted on 4/13/23 at 11:59 am to Korkstand
quote:That it be applied to puberty blockers and gender surgeries as well as it should be.
Your link talks about the lawsuit. What, exactly, are you advocating for?
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:30 pm to jdd48
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Go woke go broke. Some people will still be in denial though and claim the country wants this agenda pushed on it, and are discriminatory if they don't.
14 downvoters
I’d pay money to see what these 14 losers look life IRL
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:32 pm to R11
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I’d pay money to see what these 14 losers look life IRL
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:37 pm to ell_13
quote:Abortion bans can prevent cancer patients from getting chemo. Some risky and life-threatening pregnancies cannot be terminated until they are life-threatening enough. And in the case of self-harm or potential self-harm, who could possibly know what treatment may help with that mental dysfunction more than the doctor, patient, and parent?
Examples?
quote:No. Most laws are open to interpretation because it turns out there are exceptions to every rule.
Restricting everyone from a specific thing is usually what good laws do. It’s the general ones up for interpretation that frick people over.
quote:That's because the typical issues of freedom and privacy are at play.
The current debate is whether or not gender surgery and/or puberty blockers constitutes harm. Apparently, it’s not clear enough that removing the capability to ever procreate from kids and adolescents is harmful.
quote:I already explained how not. One is likely to lead to death and the other is not. Being in the same category does not make them the same. You are ignoring all specifics and nuance and pushing for big government in medicine.
How not? Again, they are both forms of body dysmorphia. They belong in the exact same category according to the scientific definition.
quote:You think so? What about harm by failure to act?
Harm is harm.
quote:Yeah, by due process on a case by case basis. There are an infinite number of ways to harm someone. That's why laws are generic and open to interpretation.
The government makes that determination all the time. It’s literally it’s job to keep people from harming others and to punish those who do.
quote:Then what is mentally and physically healthy, in your opinion? Just tell the mentally dysfunctional person that they are broken and that they think incorrectly and that there is nothing to be done except maybe lock them in a facility so they can't hurt themselves?
Telling anorexic girls who believe that they are fat that they are indeed fat and require medical intervention just to affirm their dysmorphia in the name of their mental health is the exact same as telling someone with gender dysphoria that they are indeed another gender and require medical intervention. It’s not mentally or physically healthy in either case.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:38 pm to HubbaBubba
I bet the little Think Tank in the marketing department got a good arse chewing, whomever approved this to go public is fired.
Everything is fun and games until the stock price starts going down then asses roll.
Everything is fun and games until the stock price starts going down then asses roll.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:39 pm to The Torch
quote:
I bet the little Think Tank in the marketing department got a good arse chewing, whomever approved this to go public is fired.
Everything is fun and games until the stock price starts going down then asses roll.
Pretty sure they're doubling down on it
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:45 pm to High C
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Man, I just jumped back in this thread. It seems that you’ve completely exhausted yourself over something that’s “none of your business”.
Dude has been non-stop vomiting all over this thread.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:46 pm to HubbaBubba
Miller/Coors stock TAP is skyrocketing this week while AB stock crashes and burns!
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:51 pm to Korkstand
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Just tell the mentally dysfunctional person that they are broken and that they think incorrectly and that there is nothing to be done except maybe lock them in a facility so they can't hurt themselves?
The same thing as any other form of mental illness, therapy focused on getting to the real root of the problem, that is likely in most cases not true gender confusion but other self identity/self esteem problems.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 12:58 pm to Korkstand
quote:Because many people believe with good reason that a baby is a life worth saving. Harming (re:killing) one person to protect another isn’t so clear.
Abortion bans can prevent cancer patients from getting chemo. Some risky and life-threatening pregnancies cannot be terminated until they are life-threatening enough
quote:Exceptions are written into laws you know.
Most laws are open to interpretation because it turns out there are exceptions to every rule.
quote:Not when you are talking about kids and adolescents.
typical issues of freedom and privacy are at play.
quote:Death isn’t the only negative effect here nor is it the only reason to protect kids from adults.
One is likely to lead to death and the other is not. Being in the same category does not make them the same. You are ignoring all specifics and nuance and pushing for big government in medicine.
quote:Where did I ever say nothing can be done? There are plenty of treatments for those who are delusional.
Just tell the mentally dysfunctional person that they are broken and that they think incorrectly and that there is nothing to be done
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:03 pm to Havoc
quote:Are you under the impression that most do not seek or receive therapy? Do you think most immediately seek surgery? Honest questions. I am not aware of any information on this and I'm genuinely curious.
The same thing as any other form of mental illness, therapy focused on getting to the real root of the problem, that is likely in most cases not true gender confusion but other self identity/self esteem problems.
I am 100% on board with therapy as the primary treatment, and it is my assumption that therapy *is* the primary treatment in the vast majority of cases keeping in mind that the media distorts reality and may lead some to believe otherwise.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:04 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Abortion bans can prevent cancer patients from getting chemo. Some risky and life-threatening pregnancies cannot be terminated until they are life-threatening enough.
Why do y’all use these extreme examples that never happen in real life?
Why can’t somebody pass a law for me
Like dudes bored at work and get an hour in the afternoon to go to the gym
New law
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:06 pm to Korkstand
quote:It would be interesting to see some stats, I agree. The worry is that this affirmation culture results in immediate treatments that can’t be undone.
Do you think most immediately seek surgery? Honest questions. I am not aware of any information on this and I'm genuinely curious.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:10 pm to ell_13
quote:Agreed, not clear at all.
Because many people believe with good reason that a baby is a life worth saving. Harming (re:killing) one person to protect another isn’t so clear.
quote:I do know that, and I know that we can neither conceive of every way to break a law nor conceive of every legit exception to it. Further, we will not all agree on every exception.
Exceptions are written into laws you know.
quote:At what age do we acquire the rights to freedom and privacy?
Not when you are talking about kids and adolescents.
quote:Agreed. Can we agree that perhaps "negative effects" is composed of several sub-categories?
Death isn’t the only negative effect here nor is it the only reason to protect kids from adults.
quote:There sure are. And thankfully so, because I sure as hell don't know which treatment will work for a given individual. Do you?
Where did I ever say nothing can be done? There are plenty of treatments for those who are delusional.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:12 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Are you under the impression that most do not seek or receive therapy? Do you think most immediately seek surgery? Honest questions. I am not aware of any information on this and I'm genuinely curious.
Not much direct information but I get the impression that it varies greatly. One younger person I knew somewhat (nephew’s exgf) went full male in name and appearance for a year or so and I don’t think had therapy was just doing whatever. Last I saw or heard she was back to either being a girl or else something ambiguous.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:13 pm to PinevilleTiger
Dylan is doing "female blackface" playing the character of a 10 year old girl and finding social acceptance.
This should be disturbing to everyone on some level.
This should be disturbing to everyone on some level.
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:14 pm to Korkstand
quote:
Yep, including some that prevent legit life-saving treatment.
Of all the drama queen shite you've said...
Posted on 4/13/23 at 1:21 pm to ell_13
quote:I think the media on all sides (including the social type) exaggerates everything, whether intentionally or not. I don't think kids and their parents are so easily convinced that surgery and hormones are the go-to treatment. Like so many things, I think a handful of cases of the extreme go viral. I can tell you that I am pretty sure I don't know a single person who would agree to a life-changing surgery for their child unless it was the absolute last resort and all other options have been exhausted to avert self-harm or similar.
It would be interesting to see some stats, I agree. The worry is that this affirmation culture results in immediate treatments that can’t be undone.
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