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re: Brother will be going to trade school this fall. What trade would you recommend to him?
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:29 am to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:29 am to Oilfieldbiology
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I mean $18+/he to start isn’t half bad for an 18-20 year old just starting out. As you gain more certifications and skills you can make more
I made significantly more than that as an intern
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Average licensed plumber makes $56,000/year.
And that’s if you don’t go out on your own
Right, so the average is 56k, not that great especially considering the amount of labor that goes into the job. 56k to have back problems by 50, I'll pass
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:34 am to TigerBait1971
Not at all. I agree with you. I think it's a mistake to think that changes to an industry somehow translates to less jobs. Some of the examples I mentioned did change how we approach different circumstances, but you still need tradesmen to do the work.
AFCI and GFCI requirements changed the approach in how we wire things, and circuit breakers and panels are now manufactured differently.
LED lighting has changed load calculations significantly.
Smart devices allow for home automation at a fraction of the cost it used to be and has grown very popular.
POE can be used for commercial lighting, again because of advances in LED technology.
Solar is also becoming a more viable option for people and knowing how to calculate available space a client has, how much wattage it will generate and what that will do for them is part of the trade.
AFCI and GFCI requirements changed the approach in how we wire things, and circuit breakers and panels are now manufactured differently.
LED lighting has changed load calculations significantly.
Smart devices allow for home automation at a fraction of the cost it used to be and has grown very popular.
POE can be used for commercial lighting, again because of advances in LED technology.
Solar is also becoming a more viable option for people and knowing how to calculate available space a client has, how much wattage it will generate and what that will do for them is part of the trade.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:37 am to stuckintexas
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I think it's a mistake to think that changes to an industry somehow translates to less jobs
I don't, it's ok to disagree about that. It used to take a couple dozen people to build a car, now it takes a significantly less. We still need people for a car to be produced, but the demand for total labor supply decreased.
We'll see what happens.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:41 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Everything will be on a micro level and most problems will be able to be detected remotely and a lot of times without human interaction.
Im not saying they're going away, but in 10 years 1 electrician may be able to do the work of 5 electricians today decreasing the demand for electricians.
So what micro level monitoring device is going to wire houses, apartment complexes, or office buildings? Do you really believe a monitoring device that might cut down on the time it takes to troubleshoot the problem lessens the work of actually repairing the problem?
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:42 am to LaLadyinTx
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A close friend's son went to trade school and became a CT, MRI, mammography, etc...I guess radiology equipment repair tech. He started out at about $30 per hour and has had multiple promotions in 5 years. He found a job very easily.
I am very familiar with this field and have worked closely with these people. There may be exceptions, but the major players, GE, Siemens, Philips, Toshiba, all require a 4 year technical/ engineering degree for their field engineer positions.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:43 am to Mingo Was His NameO
Fun story. Our middle kid expressed an interest in welding a couple years ago, at age 8 or 9. My brother is an expert welder and bought him gear for Christmas, and gave him lessons on TIG, MIG, and stick. I bought the little guy a plasma cutter and a wire welder to practice with.
Last week, our neighbor called to ask if he could come over and fix something for him. The kid just turned 11. I'm not joking...it was pretty awesome.
Last week, our neighbor called to ask if he could come over and fix something for him. The kid just turned 11. I'm not joking...it was pretty awesome.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:44 am to stuckintexas
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So what micro level monitoring device is going to wire houses, apartment complexes, or office buildings?
There aren't any
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Do you really believe a monitoring device that might cut down on the time it takes to troubleshoot the problem lessens the work of actually repairing the problem?
Yes because the problem can be fixed remotely or by a computer. And you aren't wasting time going to a site to troubleshoot making your work more efficient leading to needing less labor increasing your margin.
It's not going to affect you as an established business owner. It's going to affect the people at the bottom of the totem pole. You aren't going to hire more labor if you're guys are getting more work done in less time.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:45 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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It used to take a couple dozen people to build a car, now it takes a significantly less. We still need people for a car to be produced, but the demand for total labor supply decreased.
A production line employee has nothing to do with a skilled trade. When that employee's machine broke, did they fix it themselves or did they call the plant electricians? And when those employees were replaced with automated machines, who still maintains those machines and PLC systems?
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:47 am to stuckintexas
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A production line employee has nothing to do with a skilled trade. When that employee's machine broke, did they fix it themselves or did they call the plant electricians? And when those employees were replaced with automated machines, who still maintains those machines and PLC systems?
Dude acting like we aren't moving to more of a service economy and labor is getting less and less in demand is just ignorant. It's an indisputable fact.
Denying it is doing you no favors. That doesn't mean labor is going to be extinct.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:50 am to stuckintexas
Save your breath. Mingo is just mad that computers will replace his bookkeeping job.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:51 am to TigerBait1971
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Save your breath. Mingo is just mad that computers will replace his bookkeeping job.
Death and taxes playboy
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:54 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Yes because the problem can be fixed remotely or by a computer
So you can remotely replace a faulty breaker? Remotely repair a damaged wire in an attic or wall? Fix a freon leak? Replace a compressor?
I'll give you the easiest job we get. Can you remotely change out a light bulb? That job took one guy 100 years ago, takes one guy now, and will take one guy in ten years.
The 2nd easiest job we get is resetting a GFCI receptacle. You probably could have that done remotely. However, you'd still need to repair the cause of the ground fault.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:55 am to SerakThePreparer
I would tell him to study computer programming and robotics if he want’s to be ahead of the curve.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 10:59 am to SerakThePreparer
We are hurting pretty bad for fresh blood in the fire protection industry. A lot of different avenues to pursue.
Electrical, electronic tech, design, engineering, pipe fitting. Service, installation, etc.
Electrical, electronic tech, design, engineering, pipe fitting. Service, installation, etc.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 11:00 am to SerakThePreparer
Electrical is the best on wear and tear on your body... well if he becomes a good electrician I should say.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 11:00 am to stuckintexas
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So you can remotely replace a faulty breaker? Remotely repair a damaged wire in an attic or wall? Fix a freon leak? Replace a compressor?
No dumbass, but it can be monitored by a computer and an algorithm similar to the way packages are delivered can map out a schedule of how to most efficiently get to each place to fix the problem.
You show up knowing exactly what the problem is so you have the right equipment when you get there and know what you need to do.
Acting like there's not going to be machine learning and computer and robotic intervention in things like electrical is just ignorant.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 11:11 am to SerakThePreparer
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Posted on 5/27/21 at 11:16 am to SerakThePreparer
Lot of firefighters I work with do side work like what's discussed in here. I'm stationed with one who does HVAC, and another who jointly owns a plumbing company. Obviously I do the auto glass stuff. Those 2 were initially in those fields and got hired on FD a few years later. They have plenty of off days to work side jobs and they make good money. They also have insurance and good retirement through FD, so kind of best of both worlds.
I'd always recommend to people who don't wanna fool with college. Get your trade school done, work a year or 2, get EMT in the meantime, and get on a fire department, have insurance, retirement, not the best pay, but make your money on your days off. Later on, maybe you can get your paramedic and get another pay raise also.
I'd always recommend to people who don't wanna fool with college. Get your trade school done, work a year or 2, get EMT in the meantime, and get on a fire department, have insurance, retirement, not the best pay, but make your money on your days off. Later on, maybe you can get your paramedic and get another pay raise also.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 11:19 am to SerakThePreparer
I'd recommend that he does something that actually interests him. This is a career choice and if he has passion for what he does it can be a fruitful career.
Posted on 5/27/21 at 11:43 am to windshieldman
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not the best pay, but make your money on your days off.
So just never rest is what you’re saying.
Look, you’re not looking to hustle for 45 years. Tell the kid if he is going into a trade, he needs to decide what will make him his own boss the quickest.
The fact is that plumbing will always have work and you do not have to seek it out, up sell people on junk, maintain extensive inventory or require much start up capital.
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