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re: Bree Newsome climbs flag pole to remove Confederate Flag from SC Statehouse

Posted on 6/27/15 at 11:53 pm to
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31136 posts
Posted on 6/27/15 at 11:53 pm to
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Who cares about a flag?



you can fly yours at your house while wearing your white hood if you want to

the issue is that it shouldnt be displayed over public property
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112568 posts
Posted on 6/27/15 at 11:57 pm to
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The flag is the flag of the South
Posted by JBeam
Guns,Germs & Steel
Member since Jan 2011
68377 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 12:34 am to
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I'm white and people can fly black panther and Malcolm X flags till they're blue in the face. I don't give a crap.

Is not an actual thing.

quote:

I'm offended at those claiming to be offended. Everything is offensive.

Ah this rhetoric again. So refreshing.
This post was edited on 6/28/15 at 12:35 am
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
68744 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 12:41 am to
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Because some of us don't view it as an inherently evil symbol and respect the people who fought and lived under it in the 1860's.

Not everyone who supports the flag is a knuckledragging redneck racist. Of course, this generalization is happily tossed around by today's social warriors who are supposedly fighting against generalizations.


The problem is you lack self awareness and historical context. It's totally irrelevant what "you" or "some of us" think about it. You've completely lost the plot.
Posted by monsterballads
Gulf of America
Member since Jun 2013
31136 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 12:50 am to
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The problem is you lack self awareness and historical context. It's totally irrelevant what "you" or "some of us" think about it. You've completely lost the plot.



Posted by Shaqstrodamus
West Monroe,Alabama
Member since Sep 2013
176 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 2:08 am to
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And because of this, we will have no more senseless black on black crime(I forget, "black lives matter" - unless of course, you're black), more black guys that father children will now stand up and be daddies to said children, and there will be an insistence by black community leaders that living in the government teet is a short term fix not a lifestyle? If that's the case, I'll pay her bail.


Up vote! Finally someone with some sense.
Posted by Shaqstrodamus
West Monroe,Alabama
Member since Sep 2013
176 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 2:12 am to
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He is a historian, not an apologist.


A shitty one at that.
Posted by LateArrivalforLSU
Ascension Parish
Member since Sep 2012
3512 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 2:32 am to
Haven't read the whole thread. Has anyone mentioned how big of a count she is?
Posted by weagle99
Member since Nov 2011
35893 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 5:27 am to
Not sure, but if you disagree with what she did you are a racist.

If you enjoy watching Dukes of Hazzard you are a racist.

Basically, if you don't immediately get triggered and start lecturing everyone at the sight of a Confederate flag you are a racist.
Posted by Shaqstrodamus
West Monroe,Alabama
Member since Sep 2013
176 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 6:01 am to
Yep she's still on her white guilt trip.
Posted by Will Cover
Davidson, NC
Member since Mar 2007
39822 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 6:16 am to
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Who cares about a flag?


How about these guys?





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When somebody tells me I cant do something like this, I do it just out of spite.


A response like this shows you are either ignorant and young or both. Or simply not educated.

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If people would stop acting so butthurt about an old flag, it wouldn't even be an issue.


quote:

I'm white and people can fly black panther and Malcolm X flags till they're blue in the face. I don't give a crap.


"If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything." - Peter Marshall

This post was edited on 6/28/15 at 6:18 am
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
79602 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 6:25 am to
So you found a couple of quotes and that means everyone in the old south thought the same way.

Overgeneralize much?
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111862 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 7:19 am to
She should have tazed her the second she touched it.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 7:34 am to
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you found a couple of quotes and that means everyone in the old south thought the same way.

Overgeneralize much?


Did you read what he was responding to?

You can argue that the war was fought for more than just slavery, but the Confederate leaders openly admitted it was the main reason from breaking from the union.

The cornerstone address is pretty damning
This post was edited on 6/28/15 at 7:35 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111862 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 7:36 am to
Yes, because everything a Vice President says is gospel. Everything Dan Quayle, Al Gore and Joe Biden have said defines the purposes of their President.
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 7:39 am to
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Yes, because everything a Vice President says is gospel. Everything Dan Quayle, Al Gore and Joe Biden have said defines the purposes of their President.



Well it wasn't just the cornerstone address. Countless letters between Confederate leaders all corroborate the cornerstone message. Not to mention the quote the person decided to respond with. I would love to hear your take on the main causes of the war with text to back it up while addressing the role of slavery.

Also, comparing the political system now to the political system them as equals is outright laughable.

Anything else?
This post was edited on 6/28/15 at 7:43 am
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111862 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 7:43 am to
Anyone who says that slavery was not A factor in the formation of the Confederacy and the Civil War is delusional because that was a key element of the Southern economy, which was threatened by Northern poltical actions (both tariffs, as well as restrictions on territorial expansion).

That said, states rights/state sovereignty and the perceived (and ultimately accurate) threat to the Constitutional order was the driving purpose of secession and the War.
Posted by Shaqstrodamus
West Monroe,Alabama
Member since Sep 2013
176 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 7:52 am to
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Anyone who says that slavery was not A factor in the formation of the Confederacy and the Civil War is delusional because that was a key element of the Southern economy, which was threatened by Northern poltical actions (both tariffs, as well as restrictions on territorial expansion).

That said, states rights/state sovereignty and the perceived (and ultimately accurate) threat to the Constitutional order was the driving purpose of secession and the War.


100% accurate and true.
Posted by fleaux
section 0
Member since Aug 2012
8741 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 7:54 am to
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Anyone who says that slavery was not A factor in the formation of the Confederacy and the Civil War is delusional because that was a key element of the Southern economy, which was threatened by Northern poltical actions (both tariffs, as well as restrictions on territorial expansion).


I haven't heard anyone say slavery wasn't a factor at all, just that it wasn't the only factor , just as your second paragraph states....
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
111862 posts
Posted on 6/28/15 at 7:57 am to
Correct, but the supposedly important "Cornerstone" speech is cited as support for the assertion that was all that it was about and states rights/state sovereignty is just a facade.
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