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re: Bree Newsome climbs flag pole to remove Confederate Flag from SC Statehouse
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:21 pm to stout
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:21 pm to stout
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Why not? There are plenty of successful black people that aren't hindered by their race because they are respectable, work hard, and/or went to school.
Idk I honestly don't feel informed enough about this topic to make a cogent and complete argument.
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I happen to agree with Bree and the others who are offended by the presence of the flag.
it is a flag, it is nothing but cloth. It's only meaning is what the obvserver places upon it. Clay Travis, surprisingly of all people, had a spot on article this week which I highly recomment about the topic. It boiled down to the fact that we have lost the concept of CONTEXT. KKK members having a klan rally waving the flag? Ok yeah, that's pretty racist. The flag on a stand at a sons of confederate veterans meeting? Not really racist at all. The flag itself is unchanging, but it's context absolutely can. These app stores removing games that are actually ABOUT civil war battles simply because of the flag have gone abotu 50 feet past the deep end.
The people offended by this flag are likely only offended because they think they're supposed to be.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:22 pm to WG_Dawg
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How so?
I'm not saying if someone in a ghetto has a building fall on them they deserve it because they're a bad person...nothing like that.
Oh ok, that's what I thought you meant. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:24 pm to SlowFlowPro
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same thing with trailer parks and suburbs
exactly, it has aboslutely nothing to do with race and everythign to do with mindset.
I dont' have any sympathy for the white folks who always have their hand out either. It's just that this thread is about a black woman.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:24 pm to stout
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I disagree that you can't blame him. He is an adult and makes those choices regardless but I do agree it's a culture issue.
that's not my argument. that's the argument you'll face. the Big Left constantly shifts the blame game until you just break down and blame straight, white males. being able to blame something is just not something they like (again, unless you're a straight, white, male)
but at some point the marginalized are responsible for their choices.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:24 pm to blueboy
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Oh, okay. I thought you were going to say communism.
I'm not crazy or evil.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:25 pm to WG_Dawg
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I dont' have any sympathy for the white folks who always have their hand out either.
oh i hate me some white trash
see my sig quote
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 4:26 pm
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:26 pm to SlowFlowPro
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it's individuals and the culture they buy into. calling it "societal" is too much. society is not keeping them down. they are
Societal structures facilitate or constrain social mobility. That's not a deterministic statement, its a probabilistic statement. Big difference.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:30 pm to TxTiger82
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Societal structures facilitate or constrain social mobility.
you mean like the educational systems?
i see that as a problem of individuals, also. bad students make bad schools. i don't mean bad students as in they're less intelligent. i'm saying they don't value education, don't work at school, and some purposefully disrupt educational opportunities for those who do work/want to learn.
this is a soapbox issue. i grew up around this shite and saw countless kids lose education due to the acts of a group i'm supposed to pity
frick that
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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that's not my argument. that's the argument you'll face. the Big Left constantly shifts the blame game until you just break down and blame straight, white males. being able to blame something is just not something they like (again, unless you're a straight, white, male)
but at some point the marginalized are responsible for their choices.
Gotcha and I agree.
I think the most telling statistic about blacks and why they never seem to advance as a whole in society is this.
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Blacks comprise only 12 percent of the nation, but, according to the above figures, they comprise 37 percent of the welfare rolls.
That's nearly 1/3rd of all blacks on welfare. How are you ever going to advance as a race when 1/3rd doesn't want anything better than section 8 and food stamps?
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:33 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you mean like the educational systems?
That is certainly one example, yes.
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i see that as a problem of individuals, also. bad students make bad schools.
Well you hit the nail on the head when you mentioned culture. But culture is structural, too. Culture is not an individual-level social phenomena, but rather a shared set of social norms and beliefs that shape individual and group behavior.
I would suggest to you that your "bad apples" are shaped by these cultures, and, inasmuch as those cultures are deficient in terms of preparing individuals to be productive members of society, they can lead to individual-level problems like the ones you described.
That's my perspective, anyways. I don't believe you have described an individual-level problem, per se.
This post was edited on 6/27/15 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:36 pm to boxcarbarney
Yep no more problem with the black community. They are the shining example now!
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:37 pm to TxTiger82
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I'm not crazy or evil.
Figured, but it's so often the punchline of the "structural racism" argument.Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:38 pm to stout
There's absolutely no way race relations will ever get better, seriously.
It's largely a welfare society of subhumans that have zero respect for human life. You just have to make sure you work hard enough and make enough money to distance yourself as best you can.
It's largely a welfare society of subhumans that have zero respect for human life. You just have to make sure you work hard enough and make enough money to distance yourself as best you can.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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I disagree that you can't blame him. He is an adult and makes those choices regardless but I do agree it's a culture issue
but at some point the marginalized are responsible for their choices.
True, but for the marginalized, choices are often fewer.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:41 pm to stout
Being on welfare does not mean wanting to stay on welfare.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:42 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Being on welfare does not mean wanting to stay on welfare.
True
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:43 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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Being on welfare does not mean wanting to stay on welfare.
When the percentages of a group of people on welfare rises every year because they teach each other how to cheat the system and teach it as a way of life, I disagree. Not saying it fits every single person, but to deny it's a way of life that is passed down to the majority is having your head in the sand.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:44 pm to TxTiger82
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I would suggest to you that your "bad apples" are shaped by these cultures, and, inasmuch as those cultures are deficient in terms of preparing individuals to be productive members of society, they can lead to individual-level problems like the ones you described.
100% agreed. i used to call it the culture of lower expectations. this is why i want a single term for black trash to equal white trash
100% honesty. simply having a term for that will go a long way when having racial discussions. far too often, criticizing trash is seen as criticizing the entire race. that does nothing for the overall discussion and hurts everything.
like i joked a few days ago. if a term is self-adopted by that culture and then used by white people to describe the culture, it's racist
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Posted on 6/27/15 at 4:45 pm to stout
True, the majority will continue to work the system and they know it well. It'd be nice if they'd use that talent to better themselves so as not to be a drain on society.
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