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re: Bodycam footage of officer who shot dog released. Deemed justifiable.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:44 pm to lsupride87
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:44 pm to lsupride87
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I kinda thought Harris voters
None of you think. It's why you're a Harris voter.
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Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:45 pm to captdalton
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It is really simple. If a dog acts like it might attack me on my property I shoot it. I don’t care to become a dog psychologist to try to understand the mind of an aggressive dog. If it is snarling and snapping while approaching aggressively it gets shot. It has worked well for me. So far the score is 4-0 in my favor.
You've never fired a warning shot into the ground? i assume since this has happened four times you don't live in a city or suburban area, you live on land, maybe?
If not—the warning shot, I mean—you're just like the cop. You know you can get away with it, so you get off on swinging your dick around and shooting an animal that you likely don't need to shoot.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:46 pm to wackatimesthree
quote:No. The law is extremely clear here. The dog owner could still be sued by the shooter and they absolutely would likely win
As someone else posted earlier, if a private citizen had shot the dog they'd have been arrested for discharging a firearm within city limits or some other such ordinance, and probably facing some other charges to boot. And also probably being sued.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:48 pm to lsupride87
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The law is extremely clear here.
The criminal law or the civil law?
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:49 pm to Tigerdew
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Two, how do postal workers, FedEx, UPS and Amazon drivers etc, make it through their day? Why don’t we hear of these people getting murdered by dogs daily?
Per the USPS there are over 5,000 dog attacks of postal employees per year.
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Incidents involving dog attacks on Postal Service employees rose to more than 5,800 cases last year. As part of the USPS 2024 National Dog Bite Awareness Campaign, the organization is offering crucial information on how dog owners can be good stewards for safe mail delivery and ensure the safety of our employees.
USPS Dog Attacks
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According to the most recent information available from the Insurance Information Institute, the average cost per insurance claim for a dog bite is $64,555. When a postal employee suffers an injury, the owner could be responsible for medical bills, lost wages, uniform replacement costs, and pain and suffering for the employee.
If your little Fluffy does bite someone, you will learn a lot about it.
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:51 pm to captdalton
quote:Too bad. Little Fido should get to enjoy all of those bites
Per the USPS there are over 5,000 dog attacks of postal employees per year.
At least some of those the dog was likely at least on its own property
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:52 pm to captdalton
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Per the USPS there are over 5,000 dog attacks of postal employees per year.
How many deaths or cases of permanent disability?
We're talking about using deadly force here, and potentially endangering bystanders, so the danger must be significant to justify it, yeah?
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and pain and suffering for the employee.
Which means the $64,555 number is inflated as hell.
This post was edited on 8/28/24 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:54 pm to wackatimesthree
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You've never fired a warning shot into the ground?
Well, the bullet will usually pass through the dog and end up in the ground. Omce, there were two dogs. The second dog ran when I dropped its buddy. So technically I did once fire a warning shot into the ground.
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If not—the warning shot, I mean—you're just like the cop. You know you can get away with it, so you get off on swinging your dick around and shooting an animal that you likely don't need to shoot.
Yes, I am like the cop. Not getting bitten by dogs.
How about we just collect all the vicious dogs in the world and send them to you? Would that work for you?
Posted on 8/28/24 at 11:58 pm to captdalton
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Yes, I am like the cop
I see.
Are you also a cop?
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Not getting bitten by dogs.
A warning shot fired into the ground that scares the dog off also saves you from being bitten. Just like a cop tasing or using pepper spray on the dog in question could have resolved the situation without loss of life.
But then you don't have the satisfaction of having killed an animal that you didn't have to kill.
So there's that.
With a cop the satisfaction is usually about authorit-eye. "I can do this and you can't. I have the power to shoot your dog and there's nothing you can do to stop me."
What's your ego jerk-off?
If you're not also a cop, I mean.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 12:02 am
Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:05 am to wackatimesthree
You realize that there are attorneys that advertise as “dog bite lawyers” don’t you? If you don’t believe me just Google ‘dog bite lawyer’. If your dog every bites someone you will likely get to meet one in person.
The only thing I have learned from this thread is that there there are a lot of OTers who shouldn’t own dogs.
The only thing I have learned from this thread is that there there are a lot of OTers who shouldn’t own dogs.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:09 am to captdalton
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Per the USPS there are over 5,000 dog attacks of postal employees per year.
BTW, that's minuscule compared to the number of deliveries they make.
You know they make something like 20 BILLION deliveries every year. Over 150 million pieces of mail a day (but you get multiple pieces in each delivery).
If we assume 8 pieces of mail per delivery we're talking about a dog bite incident occurs in three one hundredths of one percent of deliveries.
And I'll bet the vast majority of them are minor. I don't know that, but common sense says so.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:10 am to Epaminondas
That's cause dogs don't shoot back. Cops are on sociopathic spectrum, the good ones just have some minor control issues, the worst are as bad as the criminals they're against.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:12 am to captdalton
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You realize that there are attorneys that advertise as “dog bite lawyers” don’t you? If you don’t believe me just Google ‘dog bite lawyer’. If your dog every bites someone you will likely get to meet one in person.
So?
What point is that relevant to?
I didn't ever claim the cop was legally out of bounds. In fact, that's been my theory the whole time. He KNEW he was legally safe, so he shot an animal he didn't have to because he knew he could when instead he could have tased it or pepper sprayed it and immobilized it until the owner could come get it instead.
Like I said, that's the cop thrill. I get to shoot your animal and you can't stop me. Knowing that no one could stop him is part of it.
You too?
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 12:13 am
Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:14 am to captdalton
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You realize that there are attorneys that advertise as “dog bite lawyers” don’t you?
I'm sure there are ambulance chasers for everything you can think of.
So what?
Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:14 am to wackatimesthree
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Are you also a cop?
No, just a guy who doesn’t like getting bitten by dogs. That is what I get off on, not getting bitten by a dog: So far, so good.
A lot of it falls on the owner. People should keep their dogs up. It is even more important if it is an aggressive breed or they know the dog is aggressive. Sadly, it seems to be that people that have the most aggressive dogs are also the ones that are least responsible in caring for them. No, a lot of it is on the owner. But so far, only the dog has been there trying to bite me. But rest assured if the owner is ever there with their dog and they are both trying to attack me I will shoot the owner too.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:17 am to wackatimesthree
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I'm sure there are ambulance chasers for everything you can think of.
So what?
The “so what” is that dog attacks are so common in this country, there is a whole industry around it. I hope you don’t have pets. You seem like you would struggle taking care of them properly.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:19 am to captdalton
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That is what I get off on, not getting bitten by a dog
Nah.
Not if you've never even attempted to avoid getting bitten without killing the dog.
Are you seriously telling me that it's never occurred to you in four incidences that a warning shot could solve the whole thing?
You can't be that dim.
Gotta be a thrill in it for you.
The more you type it sounds like the thrill is the thrill of revenge you feel against the dog owners (by proxy) for allowing the animal to inappropriately roam free.
Can't let THAT dog live! He's trespassing on muh propetah.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:23 am to captdalton
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If your little Fluffy does bite someone, you will learn a lot about it.
Fine. No one has ever said this homeowner was free of blame. Let’s say the cop gets a bite and some scratches and has to go to the hospital. That’s worse case scenario.
This dude fired with two children less than 20ft away in the line of fire to avoid a potential dog bit. He wasn’t actively being bitten.
IDK, man. I’ve been charged by a bunch of dogs walking my neighborhood over the years. I carry a broomstick and have managed to avoid being bitten with a 100% success rate. I feel like there could’ve been a better way.
Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:28 am to wackatimesthree
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Not if you've never even attempted to avoid getting bitten without killing the dog.
That is not true. If I had killed every dog that has ever come on my property I could build a modest sized castle out of dog skulls.
But dog bites are no big deal. There was only a little over $1 billion paid out in 2023 for dog attack judgements and settlements. No big deal.
Dog Attack Lawsuits
I am sorry that life is a dog eat dog world. Or in this case a dog get shot world.
This post was edited on 8/29/24 at 12:32 am
Posted on 8/29/24 at 12:36 am to captdalton
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The “so what” is that dog attacks are so common in this country, there is a whole industry around it.
Again, so what?
Has anybody ever argued that dog attacks in general are rare?
I posted the statistics on the USPS specifically because a specific claim was made about 5,000 attacks as though that was a lot in the context of how many times they are rolling up on houses as strangers (to the dogs, anyway). According to the numbers, it's not really all that common.
But that was specifically the USPS.
If we search in general it looks like there are 4,500,000 million dog bites in the US a year, but only 800,000 require medical attention (which goes to my guess that the vast majority of "attacks" are minor, since only 18% require any medical attention at all).
if we apply that to the USPS stats, we only have about 900 attacks every year out of several billion deliveries that even require medical attention.
As for the bites in general, what we don't know is how many of those involve strangers. It stand to reason that the vast majority of them would be members of the same household.
The fact that lawyers exist who specifically advertise for dog bites doesn't mean much in and of itself. For one thing, very few lawyers only practice one type of law...at least one type of case that is that specialized. So just because the advertise dog bites doesn't mean that their entire practice is made up of dog bite clients. Those ads are likely simply to alert the public that IF they have been bitten, they may have a case.
But if we take the total number above and divide it into the number of lawyers in the US, we get a negative number because there are more lawyers than dog bites that require medical attention.
So if we then assume that 40% of people bitten are strangers bitten by someone else's dog in an actionable situation (and not, say, a vet tech being bitten at the vet's office) and only 20% of those actually decide to sue someone, and only one out of every 500 lawyers in the country takes dog bite cases, we end up with around 24 cases per lawyer who takes such cases.
I don't think that qualifies as "an entire industry."
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You seem like you would struggle taking care of them properly.
No, I haven't said a single thing that even speaks to my philosophy of or methodology about taking care of pets, yet you've repeated this a couple or three times now. This is you exposing your underlying thrill for shooting dogs.
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