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re: Bill would let state pay parents up to $15,000 to send kids to private school
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:14 pm to Tiger Prawn
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:14 pm to Tiger Prawn
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Parents who were paying their own tuition got upset and quite a few of them moved their kids to non-voucher catholic schools.
In NOLA, the better / quality private / catholic schools do not accept vouchers.
The ones that were in financial ruin, struggling, and about to close, were the ones that accepted it.
Now, they are no longer in financial ruin, but they are still not very good schools.
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:15 pm to yellowfin
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Major problem with TOPS is that the scores are set way too low
And they dont require the students after graduation to work in the state.
How do you plan on making that money back?
It wasnt well thought out considering there are no white collar jobs in Louisiana LOL.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:18 pm to whoa
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This could have a positive impact for the good kids that are stuck in public schools but can’t afford private. Those kids get overlooked the most and are the most affected by shitty public schools and the shitty students/teachers.
In theory I agree, and this would be the best of both words... a kid may benefit from a private school education, and the state saves money since the cost of this for that child is less than the state is spending on them in public school.
I think the reality is that the good schools, if they they have the choice, aren't going to accept them, and all schools will raise tution by the amount of the grant, so in the end, the only thing that changes is the state budget increases and taxes go to up pay for that.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:21 pm to jizzle6609
quote:hence my post. if they would have had a requirement that stated "you have to finish your degree and stay/work in state for x years" or else the money gets converted to a low interest loan to the state id be completely on board with that. Im one of the ones that took advantage of it and jumped ship. I would have stayed for at least a little while if that requirement was there though.
Do you know how many people got a free college degree in Louisiana then jumped ship to never pay state or local taxes again?
The rules initially were soft which allowed droves of students to flunk out after semester 1 or 2. The initial TOPS minimum score was a 17. It was a joke and they paid dearly for it.
eta: i guess youd have to have some sort of thing added in there to account for what jobs are needed in the state.
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 1:22 pm
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:21 pm to TackySweater
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I’m confused why a R is backing this? Sounds like a 100% dem program to allow minorities into private schools that they normally wouldn’t be able to go to.
probably already has a business or support business setup to "help" all of these folks.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:22 pm to yellowfin
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Major problem with TOPS is that the scores are set way too low
The GOP in this state loses their mind anytime "democrats" mention free college tuition.
Yet, TOPS is set at a level that basically if you can get into college, you can get TOPS.
TOPS is free college for the vast, vast majority of residents.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:23 pm to John88
So me with no kids already pays for everyone else's kid to go to school. Now I gotta pay for private school?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:23 pm to John88
The $15k is only for special needs children, but everyone can receive $5k starting in 2028.
Reposting this from the previous GATOR thread.
Here is the estimated cost breakdown. Not sure where they plan on getting the money to pay for it.
Reposting this from the previous GATOR thread.
Here is the estimated cost breakdown. Not sure where they plan on getting the money to pay for it.
quote:
PAR’s analysis assumes, based on the experience of Arizona, that about 4% of public school students would enroll in the ESA program. These students would create a net cost of $39 million. Based on the explosive growth in universal ESA programs as well as the growth of the TOPS college tuition program once income limits were removed, the analysis also assumes that 80% of parents with children in private schools would eventually use ESAs. Little downside exists for those families since those students can stay where they are but with newly obtained state assistance.
Current voucher students are excluded as there wouldn't be a cost difference.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:24 pm to Pedro
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Pedro
Understood.
Same here, graduated, wife graduated, peace out to Texas.
Never paid a dime to Louisiana. I remember laughing about it when I 22 trying to figure out how they expect this to work considering the lack of white collar work within its own state.
Doesnt matter now.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:25 pm to Hammond Tiger Fan
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All I ask is give me back the tax money I contribute towards public schools so I can use it to pay my child's tuition. Nothing more, nothing less.
Can I get my tax dollars back since I don't send any kids to school?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:26 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
$520M in new state spending and the GOP lines up behind it.
We live in bizzaro world.
We live in bizzaro world.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:27 pm to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Damned shame that my wife and I would be MUCH better off financially if we got a civil divorce and she became a no income single mother. Crying fricking shame.
We have “joked” about. But that joke looks more serious each year.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:30 pm to John88
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Bill would let state pay parents up to $15,000 to send kids to private school
Which kids and which parents? What are the requirements?
Why would anyone choose public if it was a no strings attached proposal?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:33 pm to PhiTiger1764
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I’d love to know the income thresholds they are considering for getting $5k vs getting $15k and everything in between.
250% of the federal poverty level, so $65k for a family of 3.
$15k - special needs child who was likely already on a voucher.
$7.5k (80% of state per student expenditure) - below 250% federal poverty level
$5k (55% of state per student expenditure) - above 250%
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 1:42 pm
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:36 pm to John88
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Parents in Louisiana would receive from $5,000 to $15,000 in state money to send their children to private schools under a Landry administration bill that is moving through the State Legislature.
I'm no expert, and I didn't read the article, so I'll just ask... Is this a reimbursement? If so, the parent(s) would still have to have the disposable income to foot the bill.
If not, and wouldn't private schools still have the choice to accept the vouchers?
All that being said, sounds like private schools have a chance to get even better when they raise the academic requirements to enroll.
I'll hang up and listen.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 1:40 pm to John88
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weaken public school systems .
uhhh.... we already did that
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:07 pm to John88
So rural families with no options for private schools are going to foot the bill for kids in cities to go to private school?
That sounds fair.
That sounds fair.
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:09 pm to TejasHorn
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So rural families with no options for private schools are going to foot the bill for rich kids in cities to go to private school?
That sounds fair.
I believe you have that backwards. City folk that pay for private school and still paid property taxes for public schools have been the ones doing the subsidizing.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:13 pm to John88
This bill would help me as I have a young son and would benefit from it when he's old enough for school. However, I do not know where the state will pull $500 million a year out of nowhere to fund it. What I see happening is they pass it, partially fund it and it all becomes a massive shite storm in Year 3 once all students currently in private schools are eligible.
They're phasing in eligibility.
Also, it's safe to mostly ignore the $15k number, and I'm fairly confident they put that in there as clickbait and to meet an outrage quota. The $15k is for special needs children and the state likely already grants that much for that group.
2025-2026 - kindergarteners, voucher, public to non-public students, and <250% poverty level.
2026-2027 - <400% poverty level.
One thing that is a massive pet peeve of mine and immediately makes me discount any article is when they discuss a specific bill, executive order, court decision, etc. and don't include a link to the actual topic being discussed.
Here is a link to the GATOR bill being discussed.
HB745
eta: not a reimbursement or a tax credit. The bill is establishing a savings account that will be entirely controlled by the parent/guardian and funded by the state.
They're phasing in eligibility.
Also, it's safe to mostly ignore the $15k number, and I'm fairly confident they put that in there as clickbait and to meet an outrage quota. The $15k is for special needs children and the state likely already grants that much for that group.
2025-2026 - kindergarteners, voucher, public to non-public students, and <250% poverty level.
2026-2027 - <400% poverty level.
One thing that is a massive pet peeve of mine and immediately makes me discount any article is when they discuss a specific bill, executive order, court decision, etc. and don't include a link to the actual topic being discussed.
Here is a link to the GATOR bill being discussed.
HB745
eta: not a reimbursement or a tax credit. The bill is establishing a savings account that will be entirely controlled by the parent/guardian and funded by the state.
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 4/3/24 at 2:35 pm to KamaCausey_LSU
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The bill is establishing a savings account that will be entirely controlled by the parent/guardian and funded by the state.
Somebody's brother in law is a head hancho at a bank that is going to make A TON off of fees.
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