re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham

People personally attack you because you are being intellectually dishonest, disregarding scientific facts without any counter arguments, basically sticking your fingers in your ears like a five year old saying,"na na na, guesses and suppositions." Quit feeding this troll

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Why does your evidence suggest random chance as opposed to creation?

Why could it not be creation as opposed to random billions of years of randomness?

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Evolution does not attempt to explain the origin of life, only the origin of species. Abiogenesis is still wide open for "creation" or for one of many hypotheses to become theory.

But there is no doubt, none whatsoever, that evolution explains the transition from the simplest life forms to all the varied species we see today.

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Do you want to know why?

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Oh, I know why. Most Darwinists are intolerant of opposing views. If they had their way, there would be no challenges to their beliefs.

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It's because you absolutely refuse to listen to reason, evidence, and logic. You hold a position that has been absolutely, thoroughly, repeatedly debunked, and inexplicably do not budge from it.

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The position there is intelligent input into the variety and complexity of life has not been debunked. There are many who disagree with the view though, I realize that. Darwinism and intelligent design are both faith based views, it simply depends on what one's faith is.

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Such "conversations" will always devolve into personal attacks, because you are the only remaining roadblock to lifting yourself from ignorance.

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Have I personally attacked you or the character and level of your intelligence? I don't think I have. I find Darwinists to do that very thing though, usually early in the discussion. The thing is, that's meaningless in the discussion. It's simply fluff that has nothing to do with the issue.

I like sticking with the issue and leaving personalities out of it. But, to each his/her own I guess.

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Will finches evolved into something other than birds because of a series of billions of random accidents? No, they will not. There's no evidence for such an occurrence. 

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Again, except for the millions of pieces of evidence that show that this is exactly what happened.

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No, there aren't millions of pieces of evidence that show that very thing. There are lots of cartoon like drawings supporting Darwinism, but not millions of pieces of evidence which shows that finches will be anything but birds.

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People personally attack you because you are being intellectually dishonest, disregarding scientific facts without any counter arguments, basically sticking your fingers in your ears like a five year old saying,"na na na, guesses and suppositions." Quit feeding this troll

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No, personal attacks usually occur when the opposing view is thoroughly debunked. Like Darwinism.

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BigEdLSU

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I will respond in the morning.

I may even respond to beejon.

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No, personal attacks usually occur when the opposing view is thoroughly debunked. Like Darwinism.

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If you actually had any evidence or an intelligent thought that could challenge the current understanding of evolution the entire scientific community would be all ears. Unfortunately, your idea of "guesses and suppositions" is not the same as that of rational imdividuals.

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If you actually had any evidence or an intelligent thought that could challenge the current understanding of evolution the entire scientific community would be all ears. Unfortunately, your idea of "guesses and suppositions" is not the same as that of rational imdividuals.

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There are many people who are smarter than me who challenge the current guesses and suppositions of Darwinism. And they do it quite well.

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So what you found fossils. Isn't it awesome to see what he has made?

God is not limited by time, he is eternal. A few billion years is nothing.

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Here's what I'm saying. Let's assume creation happened. Either:

God went through many generations of trial and error before arriving at what he liked. Omnipotent failure is an oxymoron, and is illogical.

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God planted the fossils for us to find and draw "incorrect" conclusions, as some sort of childish and deceitful game. A test of faith vs intelligence, which he gave us. This is similarly illogical.

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The literal story of creation is flat out wrong, and instead God simply created the rules of the universe and planted the seeds of life, and let the chips fall as they may. Like a big science fair project.

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Of course I'm presenting my personal view on the issue

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Your personal view seems to be that evidence is meaningless, and faith is everything. In your mind, there is no point debating the actual issue, and everyone can see that. The only thing left up for debate with you is your state of mind and mental capacity.

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There's a difference between disagreeing personally on an issue and attacking the character and intelligence of a person because they disagree with your view.

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And there's also a difference between disagreeing personally, and disagreeing with evidence and facts. The point of debate is to sway your opponent to your side, and this is done by presenting evidence and well thought out arguments. This fails when the opponent has an apparent personal, mental stumbling block which must first be removed. What better way to remove such a blatant impediment to learning that to point out the absolute ridiculousness of it?

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As I said earlier, it's been my experience in discussions with Darwinists that they usually revert to some sort of personal attacks instead of simply sticking with the issue being discussed.

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I'm getting repetitive, but again, when you immediately dismiss any and all evidence that goes against your faith, with no thought whatsoever put into what the evidence means, the issue is personal. You, beejon, have a personal issue which limits your capacity to engage with people in a debate that stays on topic. Is it any wonder why you are the common denominator in debates that devolve into personal attacks?

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There are no very clear fossil linages from reptilian dinosaurs to feathered creatures to birds. Again, that's nothing more than the guesses and suppositions of Darwinists who use their faith based beliefs to produce drawings that support their views. Hardly proof though. That doesn't equate to evidence.

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Do you doubt the ability of paleontologists to reconstruct an image of an animal from a fossil? Do you doubt the dating methods? Do you dismiss the fact that reptilian scales and bird feathers are made from very similar materials? Do you dispute the fact that DNA can be used to trace lineage? That your DNA closely matches your parents? That your DNA closely matches your cousins, but not as closely as it does your parents? Do you realize that these days it is a very simple task to create a family tree based solely on DNA? That we can take any two random people and estimate how many generations back they have a common ancestor? And that the exact same process can be used to determine relatedness across species? It's just a matter of how much difference there is in the DNA. Father to son, or bird to alligator. It's just a gigantic family tree, a puzzle that we continue to fill in. And we didn't even discover and study DNA until well after evolution had been theorized and well-studied. Once we were able to study DNA, it become yet another solid, overwhelming piece of evidence that fit exactly what we thought before. Just like every new fossil we find is another piece of that huge puzzle, and each and every one makes the picture more clear.