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re: Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:32 am to beejon
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:32 am to beejon
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Do you really want to go down the road of chance? When we start comparing odds, Darwinism is blown out of the water.
I ll do it all day long, your side claims chance cant happen and then ignores the evidence for evolution found in your, mine, every human and ape that we share common ancestors because the chance of us sharing just one erv location in our genome is like i said a billion billion to one
and now think about the fact that we share over 60k of these unigue insertions points of viral dna that become part of us because the virus attacked a gamete in the past of our ancestors
your argument against randomness is simply destroyed by that fact
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Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:33 am to Korkstand
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We have witnessed speciation in simple organisms. We know that random mutations occur, and we know that mutations can impact survivability. We know that genes are passed down through generations. That is evolution in a nutshell, and it thoroughly explains the process that you continue to deny that there is any evidence for.
As I said several posts ago, there is evidence for micro evolution, such as Darwin's finches. Finches 'evolved' into finches.
Darwinian evolution in a nutshell is creation by accident. Randomness.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:36 am to beejon
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As I said several posts ago, there is evidence for micro evolution
Just because you said so? I'm gonna' need you to disprove, point-by-point, the thousands of scholarly articles that support microevolution.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:38 am to Cruiserhog
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I ll do it all day long, your side claims chance cant happen and then ignores the evidence for evolution found in your, mine, every human and ape that we share common ancestors because the chance of us sharing just one erv location in our genome is like i said a billion billion to one
My side claims that the chance of the varied and tremendously complex creation we have today is through accidents, random events, is too great to be a viable option. My side also claims there's no evidence for organisms becoming more and more complex without some interference in that organism. Your side says it's the result of random events, my side says it's the result of intelligence.
So we share common traits with non-humans? So what? Designers have common elements in very dissimilar designs but that doesn't mean those common elements are shared because of some accidental random creation. The 60k is simply more proof that something other than random events created the design.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:38 am to beejon
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As I said several posts ago, there is evidence for micro evolution, such as Darwin's finches. Finches 'evolved' into finches.
And are you so blind, so delusional, to not understand that if we can see one type of creature change into another similar type of creature in a short period of time, that given a hundred million years more that it will be radically different? Especially given the fossil record we have that shows that this is exactly what took place?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:39 am to Come2Conquer
I'm a Christian. I believe the true meaning of the texts is only gained through the Hebrew and that the deeper sections of the bible filled with parable are part of exactly why pastors interpret passages for people.
It is undeniable fact that the original Hebrew (confirmed by the dead sea scrolls with carbon dating) matches current upmto date text.
You get 500 interpretations of that original language, which is a good thing.
The original text described 6 periods of chaos and then order.
Those were not human earth days. Those were God days.
It is undeniable fact that the original Hebrew (confirmed by the dead sea scrolls with carbon dating) matches current upmto date text.
You get 500 interpretations of that original language, which is a good thing.
The original text described 6 periods of chaos and then order.
Those were not human earth days. Those were God days.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:39 am to beejon
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Influenza is still influenza, bacteria are still bacteria
Tell me this...why do most individuals need to receive a flu shot each year?
Why are certain antibiotics ineffective against bacteria they're engineered to neutralize?
Also...is the sun at the center of our solar system?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:42 am to beejon
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As I said several posts ago, there is evidence for micro evolution
Delineate the philosophical differences in "micro" and "macro" evolution without employing examples.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:42 am to Korkstand
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And are you so blind, so delusional, to not understand that if we can see one type of creature change into another similar type of creature in a short period of time, that given a hundred million years more that it will be radically different? Especially given the fossil record we have that shows that this is exactly what took place?
I find over and over when discussing Darwinian evolution with those who hold to the view that almost always, at some point in the discussion, they begin to respond with personal attacks. Not always, but more times than not. But for the sake of truth, I continue.
Now, when Darwin's finches 'evolved' into more finches, there was no increase in complexity, simply more finches. Will finches evolved into something other than birds because of a series of billions of random accidents? No, they will not. There's no evidence for such an occurrence.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:42 am to BigEdLSU
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I'm a Christian. I believe the true meaning of the texts is only gained through the Hebrew and that the deeper sections of the bible filled with parable are part of exactly why pastors interpret passages for people.
It is undeniable fact that the original Hebrew (confirmed by the dead sea scrolls with carbon dating) matches current upmto date text.
You get 500 interpretations of that original language, which is a good thing.
The original text described 6 periods of chaos and then order.
Those were not human earth days. Those were God days.
Okay, you lost me again. Also, you sound eerily like my ex-brother-in-law, though he's big into his own brand of Judaism and the idea that Jesus was married with kids.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:43 am to Cs
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Tell me this...why do most individuals need to receive a flu shot each year?
Why are certain antibiotics ineffective against bacteria they're engineered to neutralize?
Also...is the sun at the center of our solar system?
What does this have to do with the guesses and suppositions that all the varied and complex life we observe today is the result of random and accidental events over millions of years?
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:44 am to beejon
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I find over and over when discussing Darwinian evolution with those who hold to the view that almost always, at some point in the discussion, they begin to respond with personal attacks. Not always, but more times than not. But for the sake of truth, I continue.
There was no personal attack contained in that poster's reply; I think the people you're debating with are getting increasingly frustrated because it appears that you're arguing in bad-faith by simply claiming, out-of-hand, that there is no proof of the Darwinian theory.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:45 am to beejon
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What does this have to do with the guesses and suppositions that all the varied and complex life we observe today is the result of random and accidental events over millions of years?
This is a weak evasion technique. It also underscores your remarkable paucity of knowledge regarding evolutionary theory.
Such a shame.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:46 am to Cs
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Delineate the philosophical differences in "micro" and "macro" evolution without employing examples.
LOL..don't use real world examples? Ok.
Micro evolution doesn't produce increasingly varied and increasingly complex life forms. Macro evolution, with it's guesses and suppositions does.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:47 am to Come2Conquer
Definitely not me, I'm some nobody. I had this debate inside my head for decades personally until I sprinkled a little faith on top and got some results.
Now I struggle to stay off the wide path in life.
Now I struggle to stay off the wide path in life.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:47 am to Come2Conquer
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As I said several posts ago, there is evidence for micro evolution
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Just because you said so? I'm gonna' need you to disprove, point-by-point, the thousands of scholarly articles that support microevolution.
I think you need to read what I said again.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:47 am to beejon
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How does fused chimp chromosomes offer evidence that life becomes more and more complex by random events over millions of years?
Because it shows that man and chimps shared a common ancestor.
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And into what are those chimps evolving where they will no longer be chimps?
First, we didn't evolve from chimps. They are our closest relative, we both descended from a common ancestor.
Second, do wolves not still exist? We managed to get dogs from them without them going extinct. Chimps are currently evolving like everything else, but evolution doesn't say that organisms must go extinct just because something arises from one group of that species.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:49 am to beejon
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Micro evolution doesn't produce increasingly varied and increasingly complex life forms. Macro evolution, with it's guesses and suppositions does.
LINK
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Contrary to claims by creationists, macro and microevolution describe fundamentally identical processes on different time scales.
Posted on 2/5/14 at 1:50 am to beejon
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I think you need to read what I said again.
True, I did jump the gun and misread that.
Still though, you are arguing against it.
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