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re: Bill Ackman: Government has 24 hours to fix Silicon Valley Bank debacle
Posted on 3/12/23 at 2:48 pm to Street Hawk
Posted on 3/12/23 at 2:48 pm to Street Hawk
No bailouts.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 2:50 pm to athenslife101
1800's capitalism was Robber Barons and necessary to grow but harmful to the actual average citizens. Reform came and a stronger middle class formed as the backbone of the USA. Starting with the 80's and the "greed is good" mantra we are now moving to Corporate Monarchies which is why we fled Europe (Human Monarchies) in the first place.

Posted on 3/12/23 at 2:54 pm to Smalls
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Perhaps they should have better diversified their account holdings.
Spreading out these accounts over 2000 banks?
Posted on 3/12/23 at 2:54 pm to Horsemeat
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No bailouts
Especially when such a large amount (>60%) of their obligations are foreign.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:00 pm to MikeD
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OK, so they are profitable business and should be able to restock the reserves.
Lol, sure. Restock? Wtf. There’s not a lot of businesses that can just lost 20% of their cash reserves and not have some sort of drastic effect.
Sure they will survive, but it’s going to cause issues.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:00 pm to Street Hawk
Bank needs to quickly open up some branches in Ukraine and the government will swiftly bail them out
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:01 pm to SlowFlowPro
That's unrealistic, but it's not a bad idea to put 3-6 months of payroll in a separate bank for risk mitigation. I imagine most companies have enough available funds elsewhere to cover payroll for some amount of time, meaning the fear mongering around immediate massive layoffs is probably a bit dramatic.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:02 pm to grizzlylongcut
Translated: government has 24 hours to make me whole or else I'm wiped out.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:03 pm to GRTiger
I'm not sure. Some companies probably have no liquid assets.
There are also payroll companies who process for non-tech, non-VC companies whose accounts are frozen
That would only cause a slight ripple in broad terms. The real worry is other banks having runs, which can spread quickly.
There are also payroll companies who process for non-tech, non-VC companies whose accounts are frozen
That would only cause a slight ripple in broad terms. The real worry is other banks having runs, which can spread quickly.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:05 pm to Cheese Grits
$250000/99 years.
$2525 paid per year won’t help much.
$2525 paid per year won’t help much.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:07 pm to MikeD
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OK, so they are profitable business and should be able to restock the reserves.
Finance 101 (pre 1980's)
Net profits (after taxes and expenses)
25% to management (all levels)
25% to labor
25% to dividends
25% to future (R&D + PP&E)
Finance 101 (1980's to current) - "greed is good" era
Net profits (after taxes and expenses)
95% to top management only
5% to everybody else
Stopped paying dividends
Stopped investing in windows greater than 6 months
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:09 pm to Cheese Grits
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Net profits (after taxes and expenses)
95% to top management only
5% to everybody else
I need some citation on this.
Most top management doesn't even get "net profits" as compensation. They get vested stock options, which takes $0 from workers receiving a portion of net profits.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:11 pm to Tempratt
I think the FDIC is fairly quick, never heard of 99 year payout
250K for the average American can sustain them pretty well. If you are really rich you are expected to diversify and have other resources at this point.
250K for the average American can sustain them pretty well. If you are really rich you are expected to diversify and have other resources at this point.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:15 pm to Cheese Grits
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250K for the average American can sustain them pretty well. If you are really rich you are expected to diversify and have other resources at this point.
this isn't about individuals. It's about the businesses.
How far do you think $250k will go for Roku? Would that even allow them to make payroll this week?
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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They get vested stock options, which takes $0 from workers receiving a portion of net profits.
It is how you skin the cat
Eisner got 600 million in compensation for 1 year back in the 80's and it was all stock options. I got out of Disney and invested my limited wealth elsewhere. Problem is it has become so commonplace now nobody pays attention any more.
If I am a top executive and have to buy stock on the open market I must reach in my own wallet to pay for it and I take similar risk as any other investor as to timing.
With stock options I have no skin in the game as the options are "free" to me and may be covered by treasury stock so I get the option and cash out so the stock is free which is bought back by the company and deceases wealth and assets of a company at no cost to the executives.
It is why I hate stock buybacks when the better policy would be pay dividends to the actual folks who took the risk and bought (and held) the stock in the first place. Bigger issue is if the stock is then retired which makes the books look better even if it did not bring in a single dollar of revenue from actual business.
The percentages above were rough numbers for illustration. In reality if a company made 3% - 6% of gross they were successful and that was the staring point for the 100% example.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:26 pm to Cheese Grits
OK cool. What does that have to do with "net profits"?
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:27 pm to SlowFlowPro
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How far do you think $250k will go for Roku? Would that even allow them to make payroll this week?
If I were CFO for Roku I would be smart enough to know diversification is key to mitigating damages of putting all of your eggs in 1 basket. I would also have EXTREME due diligence if I had 500 million in a single bank and probably have some corporate reinsurance for emergencies like this. I would also probably have a % of my free cash in near cash equivalents like short term treasuries just for emergencies like this.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:28 pm to SlowFlowPro
I was trying to simplify for folks how we used to spend what a company made and how they spend it today.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 3:34 pm to Smalls
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And? Perhaps they should have better diversified their account holdings.
You people are fricking Idiots. These companies did nothing wrong. The bank made poor investment choices and the Fed raising the rates as quickly as they did caused this. It isn’t like Roku was investing in speculative trades, their money was simply on deposit with this bank.
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