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re: Base salary - how would you handle
Posted on 1/24/25 at 6:19 pm to BoogaBear
Posted on 1/24/25 at 6:19 pm to BoogaBear
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My gripe is that I run the highest performing team (before the 2 new members) year in year out. I manage more than any other director as far as resources and responsibilities. Feels like I'm being snubbed.
Show management your impact on profitability and what you bring that contributes to that and can't be easily replaced. Then have a discussion about the value of that.
If they bump you they see the value, if not you are not meant to be there anyway.
I just sent a summary of my team's performance in 2024 - we were 89% higher than any other year in its existence. It is the first year I led this team, my direct boss already said my 2025 raise was "substantial" which is code for a minimum of 25%.
If your company doesn't appreciate your contributions the next one will. I have competitors openly recruiting me at conferences in front of my boss and his boss. They know they have to pay to have me play.
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Posted on 1/24/25 at 6:26 pm to BoogaBear
Some people are worth more money to keep from leaving.
It’s not a big deal. Many managers make less than salesmen. I bet your job is a lot easier, managing people and having them do the grunt work has value. Don’t screw yourself by running your mouth thinking you are worth more than you really are.
It’s not a big deal. Many managers make less than salesmen. I bet your job is a lot easier, managing people and having them do the grunt work has value. Don’t screw yourself by running your mouth thinking you are worth more than you really are.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 6:35 pm to broadhead
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. This is an HR thing, but how did you find out his/her salary? You're in delicate territory.
Huh? He's their direct manager.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 6:38 pm to rltiger
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It’s not a big deal. Many managers make less than salesmen. I bet your job is a lot easier, managing people and having them do the grunt work has value. Don’t screw yourself by running your mouth thinking you are worth more than you really are.
He indicated that he’s more skilled than those paid more than him. Baw needs to lay the smack down and get paid if true.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 7:01 pm to BoogaBear
Do you think Jimmy Hart made more $ than the guys that he managed?
Posted on 1/24/25 at 7:06 pm to BeerMoney
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He indicated that he’s more skilled than those paid more than him. Baw needs to lay the smack down and get paid if true.
Other bros were getting sick raises from their similar skin toned boss and OP was getting the shaft. Now he’s behind the curved.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 7:23 pm to BoogaBear
I have been in that situation once, after my employer acquired a competitor and one of their employees negotiated staying on at his (high) rate of pay as an individual non-manager. He did not necessarily know he made more than me, but I suspect he knew it was at least close.
It wasn't a problem. I held him to high expectations, concomitant with his salary, and he delivered. He was never insubordinate and I was happy he was paid well. I was content with my own salary, so why make it an issue?
All that said, I was a first-level supervisor. A director should not make less than an individual non-manager. That would seem to hint at some larger corporate dysfunction (maybe title inflation or less-than-market compensation).
It wasn't a problem. I held him to high expectations, concomitant with his salary, and he delivered. He was never insubordinate and I was happy he was paid well. I was content with my own salary, so why make it an issue?
All that said, I was a first-level supervisor. A director should not make less than an individual non-manager. That would seem to hint at some larger corporate dysfunction (maybe title inflation or less-than-market compensation).
Posted on 1/24/25 at 7:29 pm to rltiger
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Many managers make less than salesmen. I bet your job is a lot easier, managing people and having them do the grunt work has value. Don’t screw yourself by running your mouth thinking you are worth more than you really are
This is in the IT space, data side.
That's the point I'm trying to make here. The 2 that now report to me on paper have been reporting to me for 4 months, waiting for the new year to transfer them after a reorg. These 2 are 2/4 of my leads, my other 2 leads make less than them and are running more projects.
In general, my leads will lead one project effort and support break fix issues as well. I am the solution architect and overall lead on every project and all break fixes through my portfolio. I have a peer with a separate portfolio, we do more work in a quarter than that team does in a year.
Reiterating the point, I'm a director that still does development in support of my team. A lot of times, at least half the time, I'm writing the code then I hand it off to the lead to deploy it to production.
I told my boss if I could make the same as these folks, then make me a developer, less responsibility. I also told him if this wasn't handled appropriately it would be the last straw in me seeking other employment. There have been some other things the company has done recently that have made me consider it.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:09 pm to Spankum
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Actually, I had that happen a few times in my career. Honestly, most of the time you just have to swallow your pride and let it ride for a time, until it be remedied through the normal course of raises.
Annual standard raises pretty much never rectify this and often is the source of it.
You stay on getting your standard COL increases, most of which is eating by inflation, meanwhile market rates can surge past inflation.
Job hopping is the only strategy that avoids.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:14 pm to BoogaBear
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I told my boss if I could make the same as these folks, then make me a developer, less responsibility. I also told him if this wasn't handled appropriately it would be the last straw in me seeking other employment. There have been some other things the company has done recently that have made me consider it.
I’m guessing you didn’t tell your boss this, you probably sent a rambling email stating this.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:21 pm to Cosmo
quote:definitely. Unless you're related to that boss you emailed. Just start packing your things
You gone
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:31 pm to Ric Flair
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guessing you didn’t tell your boss this, you probably sent a rambling email stating this.
100% told him "face to face" on a teams call. He is in another state.
I will not be let go for stating my concerns over my salary with facts backing it. If they do, then good luck. We have entire ETL processes that I handle exclusively, I've tried to hand them off but things break and it always comes back to me.
There is a HUGE skillet and domain knowledge issue, there are very few people that have been with the company more than 3-4 years on our side of IT.
It's a major company, top 10 in its business. We had a database go down this week and only 2 people in the company could do anything to get it back online.
Posted on 1/24/25 at 8:46 pm to BoogaBear
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one of which has a higher base salary than myself. I've already messaged my direct boss that we are going to have a good conversation about it. How would you handle?
this is incredibly common. Especially if you are running a business that puts a premium on talent.
Posted on 1/25/25 at 4:41 pm to BoogaBear
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Just got off the phone with my boss. He said he transferred them under me on purpose so I would raise an issue. HR declined my 10% increase because I can't get 2 increases in a year. So this just gets the ball rolling on overwriting HR.
If this is true, it seems like you’re both cooked lol. Sounds like you both are creating a situation where they will consider H1B workers.
If y’all’s data center is going down, there’s only two that know how to fix it, and the newer employees aren’t being trained on how to resolve this.
Sounds like you guys should focus on training your subordinates to assist you instead of keeping duties that make you look valuable.
Again, it sounds like the data center needs the most money at the moment.
I would find a better spot.
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