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Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:36 am to Paul Allen
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Interesting. This contradicts a lot of threads that have been popping up lately. Some of the threads on the money board are saying how the future of all business, regardless of industry, is going to be remote WFH (work from home).
Gonna need another generation to die off before this becomes mainstream. Too many decision makers still stuck in the "butts in seats" mentality.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:38 am to Paul Allen
quote:Obviously not all jobs can be done remotely 100% of the time, but it would probably be wise to do as much work remotely as possible. It's so wasteful burning all that fuel and sitting in traffic for so long, it's like giving raises without costing a dime. More money will be saved on utilities at the office, and maybe the space can even be downgraded or subleased. IP phone systems and video meetings cover most of the reason for being there at all for many people. VPN for access to company servers. A lot of new companies are 100% remote from the start. Offices and commutes are wasteful. WFH is more profitable for everyone.
Interesting. This contradicts a lot of threads that have been popping up lately. Some of the threads on the money board are saying how the future of all business, regardless of industry, is going to be remote WFH (work from home).
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:39 am to Korkstand
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Obviously not all jobs can be done remotely 100% of the time,
True, but what about 50% of the time? I think you’ll be productive and profitable with all of the resources and technology at our expense.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:39 am to patnuh
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Same here. I don’t feel like I’m running around like a crazy person all day. I’m working more at home and my stress level has taken a nose dive.
Same. Before the quarantine my life was one big sprint, 5 days a week 6am-9pm. Exhausting. But now I actually feel like I’m living life now. Blood pressure has dropped significantly.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:40 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Exactly that. It's hard to get out of the rut of that's how it's done, take a step back and recognize the wastefulness of things.
Gonna need another generation to die off before this becomes mainstream. Too many decision makers still stuck in the "butts in seats" mentality.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:41 am to goofball
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Unfortunately, I have gained weight since working from home.
I didnt, but I tried to wear some pants that I wore for NYE a week or so ago and they shrunk. Started doing 100 jumping Jack's every hour today.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:43 am to LNCHBOX
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Gonna need another generation to die off before this becomes mainstream.
Well, Gen X’s earliest members are in their early 40’s now. Maybe the next 10 years it will become mainstream?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:43 am to CHEDBALLZ
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Started doing 100 jumping Jack's every hour today.
If you livestream it and do them naked you could quit your job.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:43 am to jbgleason
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frick you people. I haven’t missed a day of work (not complaining about that) but can’t stand all the people talking about their “COVID vacation” and all the chores they got done and time they spent working out.
This is a little ridiculous. You realize a lot of these people have been working from home, right?
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:45 am to Ssubba
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Definitely expected the opposite.
Why?
In an office you snack all day and eat shitty fast food or high sodium high fat restaurant food and you just want to relax when you get home so you eat shitty good at home as well.
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Indictment on work culture
The office has needed a change for years. Most places don’t need a full workforce locked into a building from 9-5 every day. Thanks Boomers.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:46 am to Paul Allen
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Well, Gen X’s earliest members are in their early 40’s now. Maybe the next 10 years it will become mainstream?
I think that sounds about right. My department didn't lose an ounce of productivity with us working from home when possible. Moral was actually up too
. But the higher ups are boomers, so mid May they began the push to get butts back in seats. A lot of our work can't be done exclusively from home, so I understand. But I feel like we have some solid proof that working from home is viable at least for our department.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:47 am to LNCHBOX
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Too many decision makers still stuck in the "butts in seats" mentality.
Very true, but I was taken by complete surprise by my old school boss when he bought in to allowing everyone 2 days a week WFH post-COVID isolation (office building rife with cases) when I suggested it.
Big deal with young families and the Houston commute.....
ETA: as you eluded, our utilizations were actually up in March-May with everyong remote.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 9:49 am
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:47 am to Paul Allen
quote:I think everyone should work from home as much as their role allows it. I think the old school has a fear that people won't get as much done at home, but I believe the opposite is true. I think a lot of people feel the need to "look busy" in the office, not really getting much done. A lot of time is spent just being wasteful soaking up the AC and lighting. I think at home people get stuff done faster, not only because there's no fear of someone looking over your shoulder to make sure you look busy, but also because there are fewer distractions. They just get shite done. Who cares if it only takes 4 hours to get "8 hours of work" done? Do you want to pay for hours or results?
True, but what about 50% of the time? I think you’ll be productive and profitable with all of the resources and technology at our expense.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:54 am to Korkstand
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A lot of time is spent just being wasteful soaking up the AC and lighting.
If I had to list my job duties that would be number 1.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 9:55 am to wheelr
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Working from home allows me to cook a healthy lunch each day instead of trying to figure out a prepared meal to bring, or worse, "I'll just pick something up today".
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:02 am to Ssubba
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Personally, I stopped stuffing my face at lunch time.
No wonder you can’t get a woman
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:11 am to Korkstand
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A lot of time is spent just being wasteful soaking up the AC and lighting. I think at home people get stuff done faster, not only because there's no fear of someone looking over your shoulder to make sure you look busy, but also because there are fewer distractions. They just get shite done. Who cares if it only takes 4 hours to get "8 hours of work" done? Do you want to pay for hours or results?
This. Millions and millions of $$$ are spent by companies just to have someone sitting at computer playing on the internet, burning up power, facilities, etc. Reducing commercial leases is an easy and smart way to cut a major expense and increase profits. If an employment has demonstrated a good work ethic from home, then let them work there and use their own power, internet, water etc.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:15 am to Ssubba
I been doing way more jogging and home cooking since the pandemic. Lost a good bit.
Posted on 7/21/20 at 10:20 am to Korkstand
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I think a lot of people feel the need to "look busy" in the office, not really getting much done.
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Who cares if it only takes 4 hours to get "8 hours of work" done? Do you want to pay for hours or results?
Why not both?
I get your point, but it’s a double-edged sword. The types of people who spend their days trying to “look busy” are exactly the folks management worry about working from home. I can think of several folks in my organization who are using this as an opportunity to fly under the radar.
And that, to me, is the really interesting thing about WFH. It’s actually a lot easier for management to track your productivity working remotely than it is at the office. For example, assuming you’re using something like Microsoft Teams for meetings/calls, they can tell exactly how much time you spend each day in ad-hoc meetings. And since WFH is “new” to most, I’m sure any large organization that’s seriously considering a longer-term shift is going to evaluate the productivity of their employees in terms of both work product output and hours spent working.
To your question about “who cares if it only takes me 4 hours to get my work done?” - if I’m responsible for P&L, I care. If I’m paying two people with the same job description for 40 hours of work each and it turns out they are each only doing 20 hours of work, that’s a redundancy.
Now this obviously doesn’t apply to everyone. If you’re twice as efficient as the next guy, or if you’re the only person who can do your job, then in theory management should recognize this.
TL;DR - I think many folks have an overly-optimistic impression of what a larger shift to WFH would mean for the average employee.
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