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re: Average IQ by state....Another way Mississippi ranks last
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:09 am to crazy4lsu
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:09 am to crazy4lsu
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With respect to neuroanatomy and neurophysiology, I just don't see the basis for privileging certain things as indicative of brain power, while excluding things like fine motor control. The brain isn't like a computer, nor is it simply an "intelligence" machine. It is integrative, and deficiencies of the implied scale should have other clinical correlates, which I do not see the evidence for; in other words, I'm not suggesting that there isn't a difference in intelligence between two people, but rather there isn't a justification for the implications of logarithmic scoring.
Hush up midwit, and let your betters engage in discussion.
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Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:18 am to crazy4lsu
quote:Your two posts are wrong because of this. Anyone can score within a range on two separate tests.
but rather there isn't a justification for the implications of logarithmic scoring
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:32 am to Fortnight2Flat
quote:So did people with the lowest IQs. The IQ chart for right leaning people is a bell curve highest at the middle. The IQ for left leaning people is an inverted bell curve.
People with higher IQs voted for Biden.
The takeaway for IQ in regards to politics is that the extremes are most susceptible to propaganda and indoctrination.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:35 am to Jake88
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Your two posts are wrong because of this. Anyone can score within a range on two separate tests.
There is still no explanation for excluding fine motor control from overall brain function, or a distinct neuroanatomical basis for intelligence as defined by tests.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:46 am to crazy4lsu
quote:How would Stephen Hawking apply to such an evaluation?
There is still no explanation for excluding fine motor control from overall brain function, or a distinct neuroanatomical basis for intelligence as defined by tests.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:52 am to crazy4lsu
quote:What? Why are you reaching? The iq tests are not interested in motor control. And, yes, separating the two serves a function and certainly leads to differences in life outcomes. This is silly.
There is still no explanation for excluding fine motor control from overall brain function
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:53 am to WildManGoose
quote:He is going to respond, "Well, he developed Amyotrophic LATERAL Sclerosis..."
How would Stephen Hawking apply to such an evaluation?
Posted on 3/17/21 at 11:56 am to WildManGoose
People with ALS have problems with language, cognition, verbal dysfunction along with motor neuron function. That fact aids my point that it isn't easy to make fine motor control distinct from overall brain function. People who score very low on IQ tests generally have a whole series of sequelae related to both motor skills, learning, memory, and other systemic dysfunctions, depending the etiology of the disease. I don't recall Hawking's specific presentation, so I do not know what subset he fell into, but he was unusual for how long he lived with the disease as well.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:00 pm to ShoeBang
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It is not, but that's the extent of Mississippi culture. Even the Blues left that state for Memphis and Nola decades ago. The bands they produce leave so they can actually make a living.
Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on the OT.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:04 pm to Jake88
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What? Why are you reaching? The iq tests are not interested in motor control.
Because brain function itself is integrative, and fine motor control is arguably the most important feature of humans versus other near relatives, along with opposable thumbs, because it allowed for other key developments. I'm not suggesting making things distinct doesn't serve a function, but I'm asking for the argument from a neuroanatomical or neurophysiological point of view for that distinction.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:08 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:Because people with upper motor neuron lesions can still maintain their pre-morbid level of intelligence. It matters to them in their ability to continue on with certain aspects of their lives such as employment.
I'm asking for the argument from a neuroanatomical or neurophysiological point of view for that distinction
quote:Not at all.
fine motor control is arguably the most important feature of humans versus other near relatives
This post was edited on 3/17/21 at 12:10 pm
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:16 pm to Jake88
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Because people with upper motor neuron lesions can still maintain their pre-morbid level of intelligence. It matters to them in their ability to continue on with certain aspects of their lives such as employment.
They can, but they will still have sequelae, sometimes along multiple systems. It is seemingly rare to have lesions that affect motor function, or rather motor integration function alone.
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Not at all.
It is extremely important. The ability to make tools that can make other tools, and so on, is one of the key features which allowed early human ancestors to outcompete other primate species, along with having a menses sexual cycle rather than a estrus sexual cycle. The ability to grasp objects fully can't be underrated, as the degree of flexion in our hands allowed us to interact with the environment in a way that other primates cannot.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:19 pm to crazy4lsu
You are reaching.
The iq assessments can be used to determine the sequlae and allow for a return to work.
The greatest difference between animals and humans is intelligence and a great ability to conceptualize and abstract. Tool manipulation is second or elsewhere.
The iq assessments can be used to determine the sequlae and allow for a return to work.
The greatest difference between animals and humans is intelligence and a great ability to conceptualize and abstract. Tool manipulation is second or elsewhere.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:30 pm to goofball
I’m not sure how these lists can continue to exist in 2021 without being deemed racist
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:34 pm to Jake88
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Tool manipulation is second or elsewhere.
This is absolutely not true. Environmental manipulation was absolutely essential to human evolution, and the evolution of civilization. Even the question of relative intelligence versus primates requires understanding biomechanical adaptations of that early environment. The integration of sensory information and its application through biomechanical developments has to be included in early evaluations of intelligence. I don't see any way you can come to any notion of abstraction or intelligence and avoid discussing the development of sensory processing and specific biomechanical adaptations, as the latter two are extremely robust.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:36 pm to TexasTiger90
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Hookworm from walking the woods barefoot
I don't think this has been a thing for about 40 years.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:38 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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As you go further south, people get dumber.
Yeah dude...its all that southernness that is driving this.....thats it....lol
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:43 pm to crazy4lsu
Our intelligence would have allowed us a means to adapt.
All of your posts and you still are not willing to admit that decades of research into IQ assessment independent of fine motor skills demomstrates that the tests are relevant. You also realize now that the scores aren't logarithmic, correct?
All of your posts and you still are not willing to admit that decades of research into IQ assessment independent of fine motor skills demomstrates that the tests are relevant. You also realize now that the scores aren't logarithmic, correct?
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:50 pm to Reservoir dawg
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Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've ever read on the OT.
Explain and enlighten then, because MS has no redeeming qualities in my book, and offers nothing that can't be found elsewhere with much better quality.
Posted on 3/17/21 at 12:54 pm to Jake88
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Our intelligence would have allowed us a means to adapt.
This doesn't make any sense from an evolutionary perspective, and you don't seem to understand why.
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All of your posts and you still are not willing to admit that decades of research into IQ assessment independent of fine motor skills demomstrates that the tests are relevant.
What are they relevant to, exactly? And again, I'm looking for a reasonable justification for the separation of fine motor control, given the integrative structure and function of the brain itself.
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You also realize now that the scores aren't logarithmic, correct?
Yeah, I'll never listen to Malcom Gladwell again.
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