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Arse's tip of the day: if you test your DNA, don't leave chili dog napkins laying around

Posted on 2/15/19 at 10:35 am
Posted by arseinclarse
Algiers Purnt
Member since Apr 2007
34414 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 10:35 am
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Hockey dad Jerry Westrom visited a rink for a game one recent winter’s day, as he had done countless times over the years, ate a hot dog and threw his napkin in the trash. Within weeks, DNA evidence on that napkin put the Isanti businessman in jail, charged with murder in the 1993 stabbing of 35-year-old Jeanne Ann “Jeanie” Childs in a Minneapolis apartment. Prosecutors say the DNA, tested against crime scene evidence collected decades ago, leaves no doubt that Westrom killed Childs.


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Police were called to the building after a tenant saw water coming from an apartment. Officers found Childs dead in the shower, wearing only socks, the water running. She had dozens of stab wounds, and “a number of wounds were inflicted [after she died],” the complaint read. Evidence collected by investigators from the room included the bed comforter, a towel and washcloth, a T-shirt and a bloodstain on the sink.


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The FBI then ran the sample through an online genealogy website in 2018, relying on a process that others have used to find lost relatives and map family trees. That turned up two possible suspects, one of them Westrom. It turned out, Freeman said, that either Westrom or a close relative of his had submitted DNA for genetic background information. In January, officers trailed Westrom in hopes of collecting a DNA sample without tipping him off. They said they caught up with him at the hockey game, where he ordered a hot dog from the concession stand. When Westrom was done eating, he wiped his mouth with a napkin and tossed it in a trash can, authorities said. Once the coast was clear, investigators recovered the napkin. The BCA said the DNA on the napkin was consistent with DNA collected from the apartment where Childs was killed, and that gave them probable cause to arrest Westrom.


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After Westrom’s arrest this week, DNA was collected from him. It too was a match with DNA on the washcloth seized from the homicide scene, authorities said. His DNA allegedly also matched sperm on the towel and the comforter from the apartment.












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Posted by LSUGrad9295
Baton Rouge
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33500 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 10:37 am to
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I love how you are sure to cover your arse (pun intended) since returning from ban-land. Sound strategy..
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98204 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 10:38 am to
How do they prove the napkin was his and not one of the dozens of others in the trash can?
Posted by Winston Cup
Dallas Cowboys Fan
Member since May 2016
65497 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 10:39 am to
sounds like there is an opportunity to design a shirt with a built in towel
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
73856 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 10:40 am to
was that the one at the Bates Motel?
Posted by LSUJuice
Back in Houston
Member since Apr 2004
17673 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 10:42 am to
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How do they prove the napkin was his and not one of the dozens of others in the trash can?

They don't have to anymore. They just needed probable cause to arrest him. It said that they swabbed him once in custody and it's still a match.

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After Westrom’s arrest this week, DNA was collected from him. It too was a match with DNA on the washcloth seized from the homicide scene, authorities said. His DNA allegedly also matched sperm on the towel and the comforter from the apartment.
This post was edited on 2/15/19 at 10:43 am
Posted by arseinclarse
Algiers Purnt
Member since Apr 2007
34414 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 10:43 am to
I thought the same thing, but it likely just gave them enough probable cause to make the arrest. Once inside, they swabbed his arse and got what they needed.

I'll never send my dna off somewhere. You'd have to be an idiot to do so.

Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 10:45 am to
This is why one should never provide their DNA to a fricking database.
Posted by TigerMond84
Member since Dec 2014
464 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 10:46 am to
Because it had his DNA all over it...
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
66049 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 10:52 am to
loved this guy in Top Gun
Posted by Winston Cup
Dallas Cowboys Fan
Member since May 2016
65497 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 10:53 am to
your dna is already in the system

#staywoke
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
Member since Jan 2019
22200 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:14 am to
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This is why one should never provide their DNA to a fricking database.


This is great advice if you've already raped and/or murdered someone.
Posted by TigerFanInSouthland
Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
28065 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:19 am to
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This is great advice if you've already raped and/or murdered someone.


Or if you don’t want to be falsely accused and convicted.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:23 am to
Man, a chili dog sounds fricking delicious.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:25 am to
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How do they prove the napkin was his and not one of the dozens of others in the trash can?

I could see using the results from the one in the trash can to get probable cause for a search warrant to get an actual sample but not probable cause for arrest
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
16923 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:26 am to
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How do they prove the napkin was his and not one of the dozens of others in the trash can?


It would sure as shite be pretty coincidental that someone else who threw a napkin in that trashcan had DNA that matched the crime scene, no?
Posted by PipelineBaw
TX
Member since Jan 2019
1422 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:26 am to
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Or if you don’t want to be falsely accused and convicted.

That's the only hangup I have with this whole trend. The science is relatively new and could really wreck a person's life if they got it wrong even once.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
16923 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:28 am to
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This is why one should never provide their DNA to a fricking database.


Right, so that in the instance you commit a rape/murder they won't be able to trace your DNA back to the crime scene. Good advice for most folks.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
112349 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:29 am to
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This is why one should never provide their DNA to a fricking database.


Well I think the first issue is to never murder some dude is cold blood
Posted by danfraz
San Antonio TX
Member since Apr 2008
24550 posts
Posted on 2/15/19 at 11:32 am to
I have a real legit reason to want to trace my DNA and I'll pass due to this specific fricking thing.

I've never left my DNA at a crime scene as I have not committed a crime but I have zero faith in giving up my shot and someone somewhere coming at me for some shite I wasn't around.


frick that
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