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re: Arizona officers storm house with guns drawn over toddler with a high fever
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:40 pm to El Magnifico
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:40 pm to El Magnifico
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Bottom line is that it is not any of the state's business
At what point does the life of someone who can’t speak for themselves become the “state’s business?”
I get the stance of stay away from me and my family and I’ll raise them how I see fit, but where is the line in the sand?
I’m being legit in asking this question and not just limiting it to this one scenario.
Maybe the state jumped the gun here, maybe not, but I’m willing to bet after the cops were sent for a welfare check had she just spoke to them and let the Family services nurse see the fever was gone, no doors would have been busted.
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Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:47 pm to arcalades
Maybe so, but I don’t see a problem with them ordering someone to come out of their house and then kicking the door in when they don’t, if they are told by a medical professional that a child’s life is in immediate danger.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 1:51 pm to arcalades
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you're so clueless. You don't have any kids do you? You won't find "that" pediatrician beore the kid is grown.
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The doctor believed the child could be suffering from a "life-threatening" illness that could not be tested for at the clinic, so she told Beck to take the toddler to the hospital,
Well here is one. I actually have two young ones and call me cautious but 105 and they’re going to an ER.
This post was edited on 3/29/19 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:01 pm to Saltwatersoul04
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Sounds like the cops got there just in time. The more I read the more I hope they put the parents under the jail and find good homes for the children.
Wow. Zero difference between you people and big government liberals who want to bust in everybody's house and take their guns.
How about you raise your kids the way you see fit and let others raise their kids the way they see fit? Is that so much of a problem for you? Why don't you leave other people the frick alone?
Remember when this country used to be about leaving other people the frick alone?
I member.
This post was edited on 3/29/19 at 2:01 pm
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:04 pm to Volvagia
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A pediatrician might suggest that for one in the low 100s. 106 is when you start getting neurological damage......I doubt a pediatrician will tell you to “just keep an eye on it” at 105.
Actually, infants (not sure about 2 year olds) run higher temps without brain damage. When my now 4 year old was 9 months old he had a fever of 105 and we rushed to the hospital. After giving him some motrin and keeping him for a few hours they released him. Doc told us that babies/infants can typically run high fever temps like that. Like the baby in this story, ours had a bad ear infection and RSV. One of the scariest moments of my life, but we did learn something.
That being said, if my any of my kids ever got to 105 again, we'd be at the hospital, if motrin/tylenol wasn't working. My kids are also vaccinated because we live in the 21st century.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:06 pm to biglego
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In fact, Arizona parents can opt out of vaccinations for personal, religious or medical reasons.)
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Such bullshite
You're right such bullshite. We should absolutely let the government decide what they want injecting into our children regardless of how we feel about it. That's not orwellian at all.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:10 pm to Saltwatersoul04
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Maybe so, but I don’t see a problem with them ordering someone to come out of their house and then kicking the door in when they don’t, if they are told by a medical professional that a child’s life is in immediate danger.
Problem is that "medical professionals" are actually 'medical businessmen'. They're all in the business of medicine. Very few were in the charity of medicine.
In other words, they have their own motives. I'm not saying they're always impure but money has a corrupting effect and can sway your opinion and actions whether consciously or subconsciously.
You do know that pediatricians get bonuses and discounts if a certain percentage of their patients are vaccinated, right?
You do know that, right?
Right?
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:11 pm to nola000
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This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:15 pm to nola000
Whoa buddy, that tin foil hat is really getting tight and I think it’s causing some damage.
ETA: the medical professional in this case wasn’t trying to vaccinate the child, they were trying to get a test done to see if it had a life threatening disease.
ETA: the medical professional in this case wasn’t trying to vaccinate the child, they were trying to get a test done to see if it had a life threatening disease.
This post was edited on 3/29/19 at 2:16 pm
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:18 pm to nola000
you’re way of raising kids and mine must be very different if you’re ok with what was described in that article. Also, I don’t have any guns, they were all lost in a terrible boating accident many years ago.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:19 pm to nola000
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We should absolutely let the government decide what they want injecting into our children regardless of how we feel about it.
I'm fine with you not vaccinating your offspring. However, you better lock your kids up and not let them around any other children, or pregnant women. You're idiotic decision to allow long since extinct communicable diseases to flourish again should not impact my families health.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:20 pm to nola000
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Problem is that "medical professionals" are actually 'medical businessmen'. They're all in the business of medicine. Very few were in the charity of medicine.
In other words, they have their own motives. I'm not saying they're always impure but money has a corrupting effect and can sway your opinion and actions whether consciously or subconsciously.
The dr. told them to bring their kid to a hospital, not come back for another visit so we can charge you more.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:23 pm to Ricardo
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Public health trumps your personal misgivings about vaccines and treatment
Slippery slope. You can apply this to anything. In fact, anti-gun liberals apply the same logic in order to justify taking away firearms.
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. The last thing we need is to have a bunch of kids with a potentially deadly illness
That's what quarantine is for. If somebody or group of people show a sickness then and only then do you act. You don't preemptively trump the rights of every parent all across the nation for the possibility that there might be an outbreak of disease.
You people are so panicky and scared of everything that you're willing to violate the most basic principles this country was founded on and frankly, people like that terrify me.
“Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety” - Benjamin Franklin
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because you're afraid of medication.
This is also part of the problem. Major assumptions, categorizations and the pictures people paint their head of what they think they know about others.
You don't know anything about me. I'm not afraid of medication, I just live by the principle that if it ain't broke don't fix it. I don't proactively take medicines. If I get sick I let my immune system fight it off it can. If it's too difficult and or I have an important task ahead where I have to be 100%, then and only then do I take medicine. I'm talking about things like headaches, allergies, flu and ENT infections.
If I have something major and or deadly, obviously I'm going to take whatever is necessary to get better.
This post was edited on 3/29/19 at 2:24 pm
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:33 pm to nes2010
What started all of these anti-vaccination parents? I know they think it causes autism or something, but you would think that common sense would tell you, that even if there was a small chance of a kid getting something from the vaccination, it is still much lower than them catching something that the vaccinations would prevent them from getting.
The shite people can be convinced to believe..
The shite people can be convinced to believe..
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:35 pm to nola000
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This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:36 pm to frankthetank
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My pediatrician told me this exact thing today for my toddler.
Uh huh.
Would you like to see the list of different pediatrician groups that disagree and regard 105 to be the threshold for more active measures like sponging?
If your doc truely convientantly told you that today, he is definitely an outlier.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:39 pm to Saltwatersoul04
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Whoa buddy, that tin foil hat is really getting tight and I think it’s causing some damage.
Tinfoil hat because I'm not okay with the government forcing medical procedures on my children?
Okay.
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ETA: the medical professional in this case wasn’t trying to vaccinate the child, they were trying to get a test done to see if it had a life threatening disease.
That's not what I was arguing. I was arguing the general sentiment that it's the government's job to raise your children or protect them. That's not their job and that should never be their job.
Also, medical services are there for the customer to utilize. That's why we have 'patients rights'. Every hospital has them posted on every floor.
Your children don't belong to doctors, law enforcement, CPS or the government. They belong to you. It's your job to care for them in the manner that you wish. You created them. Like the old-timers used to say, 'I brought you into this world, I can take you out'.
While it's sad to see shity parents make shity decisions and harm children, especially if those children grow up to be shity adults that society as a whole ends up having to deal with, ultimately that's the cost of freedom and liberty. I'm not going to support setting the precedent that it's okay for the government to dictate how we raise our children. I don't care what kind of rationalizations you try to make about it. That's not a slippery slope I want to slide down.
And hey, if y'all still disagree, that's okay too. That's what wars and revolutions are fought over. I'm locked and loaded. How about you?
This post was edited on 3/29/19 at 2:40 pm
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:40 pm to BugAC
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That being said, if my any of my kids ever got to 105 again, we'd be at the hospital,
Dunno if a panic to the hospital is automatically needed, but regular temp checks at short intervals (30-60 minutes) and maybe sponging, definitely.
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:41 pm to nola000
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This post was edited on 6/14/20 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 3/29/19 at 2:42 pm to Saltwatersoul04
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you’re way of raising kids and mine must be very different if you’re ok with what was described in that article.
I wasn't speaking specifically to what was described in the article. It's always hard to make heads or tails of this kind of journalism because we never have all the facts. I was speaking generally.
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Also, I don’t have any guns, they were all lost in a terrible boating accident many years ago.
Oh, that's right. I forgot. Mine too.
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