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Are you Ok with law enforcement using genealogy sites to catch criminals?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:17 pm
Golden State Killer may have been caught with help of gene site.
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“Although it was DNA ultimately that led us down the road, there was a lot of places that road could have led.” Haynes thinks it likely that investigators used DNA markers posted on genealogy web sites to identify a possible ancestor of the killer and then followed the ancestor’s family tree down to the present, looking for male descendants who fit the profile. But this, he cautions, is only an educated guess, and what evidence law enforcement used to pinpoint DeAngelo is “the No. 1 thing I want to know.”
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Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:19 pm to NATidefan
Yes
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:19 pm to NATidefan
There's many negatives surrounding DNA geneology sites.
So many illegitimate children are being exposed as well.
So many illegitimate children are being exposed as well.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:19 pm to NATidefan
Touchy subject but I'd have to say yes. I think the pros out weigh the cons in this situation.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:21 pm to NATidefan
Yes but I don’t see street culcha really forking over the cash or taking the time to create a 23&me profile
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:23 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:22 pm to NATidefan
So even if you aren’t on a site they can locate you?
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:22 pm to TDcline
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Yes but I don’t see Jay’ranresha really forking over the cash or taking the time to create a 23&me profile
Swing and a miss.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:23 pm to Martini
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So even if you aren’t on a site they can locate you
Not 100%
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:24 pm to Martini
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So even if you aren’t on a site they can locate you?
Yeah, if a close enough relative is on there it would definitely point them in your direction.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:27 pm to NATidefan
Ultimately, I'd side with "NO". Law enforcement should not be using a private company's information , that has been volunteerly provided to them, for any criminal arrests, etc.
Way too much opportunity to frame someone, IMO.
If there was anything at all in the OJ Simpson trial that I thought the prosecution/detectives/police did wrong was mis handle OJ's blood samples. It did provide a reasonable opportunity for the police to "frame
" OJ, if they really wanted to.
Certainly, using Ancestry.com, etc. would lead to some type of reasonable doubt, IMO.
Way too much opportunity to frame someone, IMO.
If there was anything at all in the OJ Simpson trial that I thought the prosecution/detectives/police did wrong was mis handle OJ's blood samples. It did provide a reasonable opportunity for the police to "frame
" OJ, if they really wanted to.
Certainly, using Ancestry.com, etc. would lead to some type of reasonable doubt, IMO.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:30 pm to East Coast Band
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Certainly, using Ancestry.com, etc. would lead to some type of reasonable doubt, IMO.
You don't need to meet that standard of proof for a warrant.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:31 pm to NATidefan
Heres another interesting point from the article:
So if the geneology part is correct, it means the investigators used an ancestors DNA to create a group of possible suspects, then found one that fit the profile. They then went through his trash to find HIS DNA and confirmed a match.
If that’s true, it sounds like the investigators solved the case without using any hard evidence (meaning no “traditional” police work, just guess-and-check DNA matching).. they basically narrowed the field with the geneology data then went on a fishing trip. I don’t know if that’s great news or terrifying TBH.
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DeAngelo had been identified as the Golden State Killer (also known as the East Area Rapist/ Original Night Stalker, or EAR/ONS) after investigators surveilling his home in the Citrus Heights district obtained discarded DNA evidence for analysis.
So if the geneology part is correct, it means the investigators used an ancestors DNA to create a group of possible suspects, then found one that fit the profile. They then went through his trash to find HIS DNA and confirmed a match.
If that’s true, it sounds like the investigators solved the case without using any hard evidence (meaning no “traditional” police work, just guess-and-check DNA matching).. they basically narrowed the field with the geneology data then went on a fishing trip. I don’t know if that’s great news or terrifying TBH.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:32 pm to NATidefan
I always just assumed all those genealogy sites were fronts to collect our DNA for the government anyway.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:33 pm to NATidefan
And this is exactly why I did not participate in these kind of services. Do not want my DNA floating around out there in some server
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:33 pm to lostinbr
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If that’s true, it sounds like the investigators solved the case without using any hard evidence
Huh?
They matched his DNA to the DNA from the rapes and murders.
That's literally the definition of "hard evidence."
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:35 pm to KosmoCramer
Yeah I edited after I read my post. What I meant was, they didn’t use any hard evidence to find the killer. They created a list of suspects based on common ancestors then took a guess at one that fit their profile.
Obviously the DNA is “hard evidence” in the ensuing case. Not sure if I’m making any sense haha.
Obviously the DNA is “hard evidence” in the ensuing case. Not sure if I’m making any sense haha.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:37 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:36 pm to NATidefan
If you willingly give up your dna then you should expect it to be available to anyone.. I don’t like the idea of law enforcement carpet bombing dna companies but if you give it up then privacy is shot..
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:40 pm to TROLA
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If you willingly give up your dna then you should expect it to be available to anyone.. I don’t like the idea of law enforcement carpet bombing dna companies but if you give it up then privacy is shot..
They aren’t saying HIS DNA was in a company’s database. They are saying enough of his relatives’ DNA was in a database for the investigators to create a “family tree” of potential suspects.
Then they narrowed it to him based on their profile of the killer, swiped some DNA from his trash, and made the match.
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:40 pm to NATidefan
At the end of the day, I'm OK with it.
If you don't kill and rape people, you should have nothing to worry about.
If you don't kill and rape people, you should have nothing to worry about.
This post was edited on 4/25/18 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 4/25/18 at 10:41 pm to TROLA
What if it wasn't you that chose to, but your cousin, etc.
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