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re: Are you bullish on the future of Prairieville?
Posted on 11/2/15 at 8:18 am to Overbrook
Posted on 11/2/15 at 8:18 am to Overbrook
The problem is not that there are not enough resources (budget) to improve infrastructure. The problem is in the elected office. Politicians in Louisiana are corrupt and bad at their job in general. In Ascension parish, it is horrendously bad.
The people in this parish would rather vote in plumbers and electricians who have a familiar name rather than a young face with a vision and a gameplan. The title "Parish President" is nothing more than a glorified retirement position.
Voting for a tax and throwing more money at it is not going to fix the problem. That is just more money that will go in somebody's pocket. Thank heavens most of the voters in the parish get that. It's not blind. It's not being naive.
The people in this parish would rather vote in plumbers and electricians who have a familiar name rather than a young face with a vision and a gameplan. The title "Parish President" is nothing more than a glorified retirement position.
Voting for a tax and throwing more money at it is not going to fix the problem. That is just more money that will go in somebody's pocket. Thank heavens most of the voters in the parish get that. It's not blind. It's not being naive.
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Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:18 am to RealityTiger
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he problem is not that there are not enough resources (budget) to improve infrastructure. The problem is in the elected office. Politicians in Louisiana are corrupt and bad at their job in general. In Ascension parish, it is horrendously bad.
The people in this parish would rather vote in plumbers and electricians who have a familiar name rather than a young face with a vision and a gameplan. The title "Parish President" is nothing more than a glorified retirement position.
Voting for a tax and throwing more money at it is not going to fix the problem. That is just more money that will go in somebody's pocket. Thank heavens most of the voters in the parish get that. It's not blind. It's not being naive.
All that being said, what I was getting at in the OP is that maybe with all the young families moving into the unincorporated area known as "Prairieville", a movement to incorporate would start. And then from there, maybe some of the issues you raised could be fixed?
I'm just speculating here. I still live in BR despite everyone my age with kids having already moved to Prairieville.
This post was edited on 11/2/15 at 10:19 am
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:23 am to gizmoflak
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The name "Prairieville" is dumb
Named by New Orleanians on their way to BR
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:25 am to RealityTiger
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The people in this parish would rather vote in plumbers and electricians who have a familiar name rather than a young face with a vision and a gameplan.
Chris Loar was the young face with a plan. The plan was using money to build parks instead of improve infrastructure.
Now we have a waterpark at one of the most congested intersections in the parish. It is a joke.
This post was edited on 11/2/15 at 10:26 am
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:38 am to kingbob
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opposing any and all section 8 developments
Key to keeping any place nice.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:44 am to RealityTiger
AP government expects $119M in total revenues collected through sales/property taxes this year. Most/all of those monies are dedicated to specific use. You could argue we would need to dedicate the entirety of the collected taxes to roadway improvements and still only make a dent in the problem.
simply put, the argument that AP gov't has enough money already to build the types of highways and road improvements needed to sustain our growth is wrong. We need to float a renewable roadway construction bond payable via sales taxes. We only currently have $ for maintenance of existing roads.
AP government budget FY2015
Residents are blinded by their philosophical anti-gov't/tax beliefs and are ignoring the reality that the leaders we elect are seemingly inept because we (residents) have put them in a position to fail. We vote down any and every effort made to remedy the road situation but then get mad when it takes 25 years to add a lane onto hwy42
I'm a 12 year resident of AP. I love our schools and hate our infrastructure.
Oh, and Prairieville will not incorporate. There are 0 advantages.
simply put, the argument that AP gov't has enough money already to build the types of highways and road improvements needed to sustain our growth is wrong. We need to float a renewable roadway construction bond payable via sales taxes. We only currently have $ for maintenance of existing roads.
AP government budget FY2015
Residents are blinded by their philosophical anti-gov't/tax beliefs and are ignoring the reality that the leaders we elect are seemingly inept because we (residents) have put them in a position to fail. We vote down any and every effort made to remedy the road situation but then get mad when it takes 25 years to add a lane onto hwy42
I'm a 12 year resident of AP. I love our schools and hate our infrastructure.
Oh, and Prairieville will not incorporate. There are 0 advantages.
This post was edited on 11/2/15 at 10:49 am
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:52 am to RidiculousHype
Central baw
Posted on 11/2/15 at 10:59 am to Tigeralum2008
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simply put, the argument that AP gov't has enough money already to build the types of highways and road improvements needed to sustain our growth is wrong
They do not now. They have ignored the situation for 25 years and now will play catchup. Fixing 25 years of ignoring a problem won't happen overnight.
It is pretty common in Louisiana.
Posted on 11/2/15 at 11:04 am to Tigeralum2008
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AP government expects $119M in total revenues collected through sales/property taxes this year. Most/all of those monies are dedicated to specific use. You could argue we would need to dedicate the entirety of the collected taxes to roadway improvements and still only make a dent in the problem.
simply put, the argument that AP gov't has enough money already to build the types of highways and road improvements needed to sustain our growth is wrong. We need to float a renewable roadway construction bond payable via sales taxes. We only currently have $ for maintenance of existing roads.
AP government budget FY2015
Residents are blinded by their philosophical anti-gov't/tax beliefs and are ignoring the reality that the leaders we elect are seemingly inept because we (residents) have put them in a position to fail. We vote down any and every effort made to remedy the road situation but then get mad when it takes 25 years to add a lane onto hwy42
I'm a 12 year resident of AP. I love our schools and hate our infrastructure.
Oh, and Prairieville will not incorporate. There are 0 advantages.
This is great to read on here. I moved out of state but I'm glad to see there are people back home with real insight into solutions to the problems in their communities
Posted on 11/2/15 at 12:21 pm to fightin tigers
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Chris Loar was the young face with a plan.
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The plan was using money to build parks instead of improve infrastructure.
Now we have a waterpark at one of the most congested intersections in the parish.
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It is a joke.
My thoughts exactly. I moved out there 20+ years ago and I'm ready to move back to BR. My kids are graduated now, no reason to stay, unless you love traffic.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 7:28 am to Tigeralum2008
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AP government expects $119M in total revenues collected through sales/property taxes this year. Most/all of those monies are dedicated to specific use. You could argue we would need to dedicate the entirety of the collected taxes to roadway improvements and still only make a dent in the problem.
simply put, the argument that AP gov't has enough money already to build the types of highways and road improvements needed to sustain our growth is wrong. We need to float a renewable roadway construction bond payable via sales taxes. We only currently have $ for maintenance of existing roads.
AP government budget FY2015
Residents are blinded by their philosophical anti-gov't/tax beliefs and are ignoring the reality that the leaders we elect are seemingly inept because we (residents) have put them in a position to fail. We vote down any and every effort made to remedy the road situation but then get mad when it takes 25 years to add a lane onto hwy42
I'm a 12 year resident of AP. I love our schools and hate our infrastructure.
Oh, and Prairieville will not incorporate. There are 0 advantages.
Very well stated, and a factual logical look at how the machine works.
Who ARE you?
Posted on 11/3/15 at 7:52 am to Tigeralum2008
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AP government expects $119M in total revenues collected through sales/property taxes this year. Most/all of those monies are dedicated to specific use.
Define the specifics of "specific use". It sounds like you are probably more informed on the inside whereas I'm talking from the sideline as simply a taxpayer. But it certainly looks like the budget is either mismanaged or needs to be redrawn. It's not like you have to have full disclosure here. It's common sense.
At one time, Ascension Parish was one of the fastest growing suburbs in the nation. Hell, it might still be. And if not, top ten at least. That being said, if there is not enough money collected from property tax and built in taxes, there never will be. And if what you're saying is true (which I do not doubt), then the problem is with the tax collector and not the tax payer. Throwing more money at it is not going to solve the problem. You know that principle, "you will spend and save ten dollars the same way you will spend and save 100 dollars"? That rings true loud and clear here.
And to add to that, somebody else said it. The infrastructure should have happened 20 years ago. Especially 4 laning both Hwy 73 and Hwy 42. What exactly did they think was going to happen with subdivision after subdivision being developed? Every new house you see being built is at least 2 cars more on the road everyday.
I'm sure there are some things I'm overlooking here because I admit I'm simply an ignorant taxpayer. But this is the way most Ascension voters see it. Maybe our Parish President should get off his arse and explain the problem come election time.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 8:23 am to RealityTiger
AP's budget has nothing to do with the substandard infrastructure because every major gridlocked road is a state highway, control over which the parish could not exert even if it wanted to. The only things the parish government is really responsible for is:
Sheriff's office
Maintaining parish buildings
Drainage
Paving parish streets (which are generally just short dead end roads branching off of state highways)
Maintaning rights of way (mowing grass)
Zoning
That's about it.
School board runs all the schools, army corps of engineers maintains the levees, and the state maintains the highways.
Sheriff's office
Maintaining parish buildings
Drainage
Paving parish streets (which are generally just short dead end roads branching off of state highways)
Maintaning rights of way (mowing grass)
Zoning
That's about it.
School board runs all the schools, army corps of engineers maintains the levees, and the state maintains the highways.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:11 am to kingbob
Ok well see, that further backs my point up in two ways:
1. I'm ignorant when it comes to where exactly my money goes.
2. Throwing more money at the Parish is not going to solve the infrastructure problem.
So what are the options here? Because if there is one overriding problem that I have as an Ascension parish resident of 11 years, it's that the traffic problem is steadily becoming a nightmare here. And it gets worse with each development that goes up. OP take note.
1. I'm ignorant when it comes to where exactly my money goes.
2. Throwing more money at the Parish is not going to solve the infrastructure problem.
So what are the options here? Because if there is one overriding problem that I have as an Ascension parish resident of 11 years, it's that the traffic problem is steadily becoming a nightmare here. And it gets worse with each development that goes up. OP take note.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:14 am to RealityTiger
No town named "Prairieville" will ever be a desirable place to live.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:48 am to RealityTiger
The only infrastructure that the parish controls is recreation and drainage. One of the big plans out their is for a parish wide municipal water and sewage system, an expensive proposition. However, the tax increase to fund it was voted down because it only focused on the northern half of the parish which already has water from modad. The concept was to tie all of the modad units together first before tackling the difficult task of bringing water to St. Amant, where most people have wells and septic tanks.
They tried to expand their parks, but the people voted it down because rather than expand and improve the local community parks, all the money was going to add facilities at Lamar-Dixon.
The people are tired of voting for tax money going where it isn't really needed just because that would be easier. If they are going to volunteer for more of their money to go to the Parish, they have to see the money go to pay for improvements in their neighborhood.
They tried to expand their parks, but the people voted it down because rather than expand and improve the local community parks, all the money was going to add facilities at Lamar-Dixon.
The people are tired of voting for tax money going where it isn't really needed just because that would be easier. If they are going to volunteer for more of their money to go to the Parish, they have to see the money go to pay for improvements in their neighborhood.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:52 am to RealityTiger
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And to add to that, somebody else said it. The infrastructure should have happened 20 years ago. Especially 4 laning both Hwy 73 and Hwy 42. What exactly did they think was going to happen with subdivision after subdivision being developed? Every new house you see being built is at least 2 cars more on the road everyday.
20 years of voting down proposed roadway construction taxes
AP gov't tried to get a tax passed to fund the expansion of HWY 42 on 2-3 separate occasions all getting rejected by voters.
AP gov't has had to use the state HWY construction waitlist and limited federal dollars to get the HWY 42 improvements. It took 20 years to expand 42 because of the backlog of state projects. It also had to save up for the $ needed to start the expensive construction.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 9:58 am to RealityTiger
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Define the specifics of "specific use". It sounds like you are probably more informed on the inside whereas I'm talking from the sideline as simply a taxpayer. But it certainly looks like the budget is either mismanaged or needs to be redrawn. It's not like you have to have full disclosure here. It's common sens
look at your property tax bill baw, each one of those mills are designed for specific budget items. It is statutorily mandated to go to those agencies only.
Meaning the AP gov't can't dip into surplus funds from one agency to address other needs.
There isn't a specific tax/fee associated to the purpose of roadway construction/expansion except an "impact fee" that woefully underpays the actual impact on roads.
This post was edited on 11/3/15 at 9:59 am
Posted on 11/3/15 at 10:01 am to Tigeralum2008
The reason for that being that the parish has no roads worth funding. Any road that actually takes you somewhere rather than dead-ending in the back of a subdivision or started off as just a family driveway that their relatives all built around is a state highway. Even if the parish had the money, they can't improve those roads. They even petitioned to do so at no cost to the state and were denied.
Posted on 11/3/15 at 10:02 am to kingbob
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AP's budget has nothing to do with the substandard infrastructure because every major gridlocked road is a state highway, control over which the parish could not exert even if it wanted t
The AP can influence state highway construction decisions by providing partial funding to needed projects. But without those funds, we are at the mercy of state lawmakers who have robbed the state highway construction budget blind since the mid 80's delaying needed projects.
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