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re: Are depressed people generally that way because of unrealistic expectations?

Posted on 3/17/14 at 9:50 am to
Posted by Harry Caray
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 9:50 am to
Depression is far more than being mopey and sad if a girl left you, it's being completely unmotivated and uninterested in living.
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Posted by panterica
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 9:50 am to
I was depressed for years. About 99% of that time I wasn't sad or down about anything.. It started off that way but I had lost interest in fun stuff (until I got drunk and acted an arse every now and then). I quit art and music and didn't care to meet girls or any of that fun stuff. Eventually I did help myself out of it.. admittedly with the help of a sort of emotional intelligence seminar thing a professor of mine talked me into going to. You don't just pump yourself up and get over it. It's as much chemical as it is mental.
Posted by bluemoons
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 9:51 am to
I think we should differentiate between actual, clinical depression, and the more common "I'm depressed because my girlfriend dumped me so I need meds" types.
Posted by bluemoons
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 9:52 am to
quote:

Depression is far more than being mopey and sad if a girl left you, it's being completely unmotivated and uninterested in living.


This. My post was referring to the former state of mind and doc's prescribing meds for that. Reading it afterwards I realized my post sucked and didn't really convey what I actually meant to say.
Posted by Harry Caray
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 9:54 am to
I was talking to the thread, not just replying to you
Posted by DanTiger
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 9:54 am to
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I'm pretty sure that serious depression issues are pretty much a medical condition. I don't think that it's some kind of personality defect like what your post suggests


I did not intend to imply any such thing. I also do not want to debate whether this is a mental issue or not, I believe it is, because it will start a pizzing contest between many on here and it was not my intended point. I would be interested in whether those here who know depressed folks have noticed the same markers that I mentioned in my OP.
Posted by DanTiger
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:13 am to
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You friend was likely bi-polar with bouts of mania where he had grandiose ideas. And there is a difference between situational depression (death of a loved one, ending a relationship) and clinical depression (chemical make-up in the brain).


What are the major differences between bi-polar and clinical depression? I know it is ignorant of me not to know but I don't. I realize that people suffering with bi-polar disorder tend to have big ups and downs but I always thought those who were clinically depressed suffered the same symptoms.
Posted by RadTiger
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:36 am to
Bipolar is defined by at least one episode of mania. You don't even need to have an episode of depression.
Posted by USMCTiger03
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:41 am to
State of Mind = Reality minus Expectations
While you may have some control over Reality, Expectations are much easier to change.
Posted by ruzil
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:02 am to
Happiness = reality - expectations

But I don't think this applies here.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:17 am to
People who say depression is just lack of willpower or "in your head" are wrong.

But so are people who want to pretend that everyone battling "depression" have legit clinical problems.

Unfortunately everyone is polarized on these topics. You either believe aspergers/adhd/depression is common and underdiagnosed, or you believe it's extremely overdiagnosed and rare. In reality, it's probably both with regard to diagnoses. Plenty of truly depressed people don't get treatment, and a lot of folks being treated for depression could probably work out their issues without professional help if they were so motivated.

Advancements in mental/behavioral health are great. Unfortunately, they do have the byproduct of making us dependent on diagnoses and medication. I wouldn't advocate against advancement, but on some levels, we're not doing society any favors.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 11:19 am
Posted by Rickety Cricket
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:21 am to
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Depression is all in your head. It's the same with stress or even fear. If you can just convince yourself that it doesn't exist, then it wont.

LOL
Posted by DirtyMikeandtheBoys
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:27 am to
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Depression is a mental state of mind.
People need to get over being dad and get in with their lives.
Everyone I ever knew that was diagnosed, was because a girl left them, or they couldn't get a job or something else.


THIS!

Depression is all in your head. It's the same with stress or even fear. If you can just convince yourself that it doesn't exist, then it wont.


LOL, I guess you've never taken a biology or a chemistry class?

Everything is the result of a chemical reaction. When those reactions become imbalanced is when outlying results are witnessed (ie things we deem "not normal" like depression, anxiety, ADHD, disorders in general, etc.)

What you are talking about is called being sad, not depression.
Posted by recruitnik
Campus
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:37 am to
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I am on the mark with this theory?


Not even close.
Posted by Pettifogger
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 11:38 am to
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What you are talking about is called being sad, not depression.


Too bad the mental health community works pretty hard to blur the distinction.
Posted by LSUsuperfresh
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:19 pm to
The right (or perhaps wrong) brain chemistry can give anyone depression IMO
Posted by Goldrush25
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Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:31 pm to
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Depression is a mental state of mind. People need to get over being sad and get in with their lives.
Everyone I ever knew that was diagnosed, was because a girl left them, or they couldn't get a job or something else


That's so enlightenting! Maybe you should write a book. You'd make millions.
Posted by DanTiger
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Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:36 pm to
As a follow up question do depressed people tend to do a bad job dealing with adversity in comparison to people who are not depressed? I know this, as well as the unrealistic goal question, are kind of chicken and egg subjects but I am still curious.
This post was edited on 3/17/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted by GotDucks?
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:36 pm to
Depression is for the weak minded.
Posted by HeavyCore
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 12:36 pm to
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