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Applying 21st century thought to the minds of 19th century men

Posted on 6/25/19 at 6:54 pm
Posted by RollTide1987
Baltimore, MD
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 6:54 pm
I am by no means a Confederate apologist. I am a historian and when you delve into history you tend to eventually delve into fact. What really bothers me is how a lot of people in the 21st century can't seem to grasp that the United States of 1860 is nothing like what it is today.

- Had you lived in 1860, the federal government would have directly touched your life in but one way: it delivered you your mail.

- You would have paid taxes to state and local governments as there were no nationally imposed taxes as of yet.

- You would have settled any disputes that you might have had with a neighbor in either a state or local court.

- You would have likely never come across the U.S. flag unless you lived near to a fort. In fact, in the year 1860, the average American had never seen Old Glory before.

- There was no national motto.

- There was no national anthem.

- There was no nationalism in this country at all in 1860, and that includes the 16,000 men who were serving in the United States Army at the time.

- There was no such thing as "national pride" until Appomattox.

So when people ask how an entire region could so easily break away from the Union in 1860-61, it was because they had no close ties to the Union. Most Americans viewed their state as their country. There was no such thing as national identity or patriotism as we understand it today. Most of these concepts were established in the war's aftermath.

Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 6:56 pm to
Well,, the Feds probably took the land you lived on away from the Indians
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 6:57 pm to
Yet I’m not even allowed to apply 21st century ideals to fellow 21st century cultures that are uncivilized barbarians even by 19th century standards.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 6:58 pm to
living in like 1860 would be like heaven except there was no tigerdroppings.

No taxes, women couldn't vote, you could buy cool drugs and dynamite at the store


I bet everybody was so happy back then
Posted by ElectricWizard0
Member since Jul 2017
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 6:58 pm to
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Well,, the Feds probably took the land you lived on away from the Indians

In all the history of mankind, it has always been conquer or be conquered.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 6:58 pm to
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So when people ask how an entire region could so easily break away from the Union in 1860-61, it was because they had no close ties to the Union


It was because their economy was so tied to slavery, and slavery was being directly threatened.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 6:58 pm to
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Well,, the Feds probably took the land you lived on away from the Indians
We took it fair and square. If the Indians wanted to keep their land they should’ve invented gunpowder and learned to hold their liquor.
Posted by OWLFAN86
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 6:58 pm to
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Yet I’m not even allowed to apply 21st century ideals to fellow 21st century cultures that are uncivilized barbarians even by 19th century standards.


whos stopping you ?
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 6:59 pm to
Actually the economy was based on states rights
Posted by Sao
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 6:59 pm to

It would have been cool to hang out at the Greenville Auction and people watch.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:00 pm to
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Actually the economy was based on states rights


Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:00 pm to
Twitter
Posted by SEClint
New Orleans, LA/Portland, OR
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:00 pm to
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You would have settled any disputes that you might have had with a neighbor in either a state or local court. 


I'm the meanest son of a bitch in 9 parishes.
Posted by Erebus
Member since Jan 2019
574 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:20 pm to
Don’t forget the cool hats
Posted by facher08
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:25 pm to
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Had you lived in 1860, the federal government would have directly touched your life in but one way: it delivered you your mail.


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You would have paid taxes to state and local governments as there were no nationally imposed taxes as of yet.


How was the federal government funded, as small as it may have been, if there were no federal taxes?
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36508 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:30 pm to
Tariffs, natural resources, etc.
Posted by LarryCLE
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 6/25/19 at 7:34 pm to
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I bet everybody was so happy back then

Not everyone...
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53591 posts
Posted on 6/25/19 at 8:39 pm to
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How was the federal government funded, as small as it may have been, if there were no federal taxes?



Tariffs and excise taxes.

Back then, the annual federal tax burden was around 28 dollar (and that is inflation adjusted), per person.

An hour’s worth of work from the average OTer (or 1 minute from the average OT baller) is enough to pay for taxes on the YEAR.
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