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re: AP: Parents begged cops to enter school as shooting unfolded. Cops refused
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:29 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:29 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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I wonder if we’ll ever know the true timeline, but imaging how this played out inside that classroom in real time is haunting.
It’ll take some time, but the timelines for these events usually get rather granular. It’s horrible to read, but for Columbine, Parkland, Sandy Hook, VT, it has all been pieced together with pretty specific details on victims and where they were, , when they were killed etc. I’d expect the same here.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:31 am to Bronc
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So in your mind, in the middle of this fire fight, police officers were able to do a headcount of the specific classroom as presume that after they counted the number of shots there was no longer an active shooter situation?
No. But once he barricaded in the room he could have killed everyone in it in 20 seconds.
You’re wanting to argue with me, but I don’t have all the answers. I’m repeating what DPS has said.
Wait for the actual details to come out. It’s not going to be cops just sitting outside in cowardice for 45 minutes.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 7:32 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:32 am to BilJ
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Most of you realize in all likelihood by the time the cops actually arrived the kids were all dead, right ? He slaughtered an entire classroom almost at random. This wasn’t carried out over hours while they sat and watched outside
He was inside the classroom for a fricking hour
All these local LEs get money and buy all this military style equipment to act big and bad and then when shite hits the fan they fail to do anything
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:33 am to Midtiger farm
Again, he had already shot two officers that responded immediately before he even entered the classroom.
The knee jerk reaction on total response time is premature.
The knee jerk reaction on total response time is premature.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:34 am to TideHater
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They are trained to contain and assess the situation.
No they are not. The school shooting training changed after Columbine. They are trained to engage the shooter
bunch of boot licking pussies in this thread
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:35 am to Indefatigable
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Again, he had already shot two officers that responded immediately before he even entered the classroom.
The knee jerk reaction on total response time is premature.
So? They were multiple LEs on the scene within 10 minutes
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:36 am to Midtiger farm
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They were multiple LEs on the scene within 10 minutes
Correct. They were shot attempting to follow the shooter into the school.
I don’t understand the unwillingness to wait for an actual set of facts and a timeline be released before condemning everyone involved. These timelines are ALWAYS revised downward, and the amount of time “active” shooting is always far smaller than initially reported.
If it ends up being cowardice and incompetence that resulted in more lives lost, then let’s take some badges at that point. But I don’t know why everyone is giddy to jump to that conclusion.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 7:39 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:36 am to Bronc
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Correct, this was a comment from a former police officer friend in our Facebook group
We probably have one of the most incompetent departments right now in the country, but when we had a school shooting here (thankfully it was a kid who was going after one other kid and not a mass shooting) the scenario went down pretty much as your cop friend explained. They didn’t wait on SWAT and went in and secured the scene fairly quickly (I had multiple teacher friends and friend’s kids in the building). They also pursued the kid to a neighborhood about a mile away and detained him there.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:37 am to AmosMosesAndTwins
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But police have protocols for a reason.
the protocols for an active shooter are to go in and eliminate the threat as quickly as possible.
everything changed after columbine.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:38 am to Midtiger farm
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The school shooting training changed after Columbine. They are trained to engage the shooter
Correct. these LEO's were armed and had the training for active shooter. they stood by as kids were being massacred.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:38 am to Indefatigable
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It’ll take some time, but the timelines for these events usually get rather granular. It’s horrible to read, but for Columbine, Parkland, Sandy Hook, VT, it has all been pieced together with pretty specific details on victims and where they were, , when they were killed etc. I’d expect the same here.
I read the shot by shot timeline in Columbine last night. Crazy the precise detail of forensics, down to doubling back with more shots on previous targets.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:39 am to Indefatigable
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DPS did not confirm this yet, but my suspicion is that he killed everyone in the room immediately thereafter. If true and the cops knew where he was barricaded in, that could explain the police waiting on more firepower.
And how many of those children could have survived if they got immediate medical care if the officers would've engaged the shooter? But no, instead those children were on the floor for a fricking hour while the cops sat outside.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:39 am to Indefatigable
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It’s not going to be cops just sitting outside in cowardice for 45 minutes.
then what is it? because all info coming out looks exactly like that.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:40 am to monsterballads
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because all info coming out looks exactly like that.
There are no actual details. Just random videos and statements from emotional witnesses.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:41 am to Indefatigable
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I don’t understand the unwillingness to wait for an actual set of facts
Lol
So wait for the law enforcement to lie and cover their asses?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:42 am to Indefatigable
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Parkland,
Then you should remember that defaulting to believing the cops on the scene did everything in their power is not typically a safe bet
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:42 am to Midtiger farm
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So wait for the law enforcement to lie and cover their asses?
Yea, it’s better to piece together random snippets of information from random sources and speculate wildly on the internet.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:44 am to Bronc
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Then you should remember that defaulting to believing the cops on the scene did everything in their power is not typically a safe bet
Correct. And that information came out in the investigation. It will here too if that was in fact the case.
I’m just saying that it doesn’t HAVE to be that way, and there’s no reason not to wait for something more official before everyone flips out about police cowardice.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:45 am to Indefatigable
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Yea, it’s better to piece together random snippets of information from random sources and speculate wildly on the internet.
It's not random snippets. Its from eye witnesses and then the LE spokesman even admitted it then changed his story
also it happened at Parkland so its not without precedent
Posted on 5/26/22 at 7:46 am to Indefatigable
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don’t understand the unwillingness to wait for an actual set of facts and a timeline be released before condemning everyone involved. These timelines are ALWAYS revised downward, and the amount of time “active” shooting is always far smaller than initially reported.
It’s easy to understand.
His goal isn’t to be the most accurate, it is to fortify his already existing worldview
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