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re: AP: Parents begged cops to enter school as shooting unfolded. Cops refused
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:27 am to Tiger Nation 84
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:27 am to Tiger Nation 84
A whole lot more likely that they are cowards. You should step away from the computer, your brain has been scrambled.
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Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:27 am to Bronc
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All so they can wait around for the border patrol to show up
I am not getting in the middle of this whole argument but everyone has the thing about the BP wrong. The "team" that went in and terminated the situation was a hastily gathered group of officers from a number of jurisdictions including local, state and federal officers. It was not a USBP Tactical team.
Early reports are that much of the delay was associated with the first officers inability to breach the locked classroom door. If you have ever been in a school, you know how overbuilt those doors are and that can be an issue. It was a primary reason the VA Tech shooter killed so many. Many agencies now issue breaching equipment to patrol officers because of this.
The guy who ultimately engaged and put down the shooter was a USBP Agent and BORTAC member who was nearby and OFF DUTY when the shooting started. He apparently either had his gear in his personal car or was driving a BP vehicle because he responded over to the scene and got involved.
If you look at the photos from the incident, he is dressed in blue jeans, a plaid shirt and a baseball cap. He is not in uniform.
None of this has anything to do with whether there was a delay in the officers getting into the target building or not. I don't know about that. I only know about what I have written above based on speaking to friends with DHS and USBP HQ about the incident.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:27 am to Bronc
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Multiple reports allege there was no firefight, a few that claim there was.
THe smart person would refrain from making decisions based on this incomplete and conflicting information.
You don't know any more about what happened than some random person in Canada.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:28 am to whatiknowsofar
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Nah man, you've changed f
"Muh precious trannies."
You people are so soft. You can't take dissension.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 10:29 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:30 am to jbgleason
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I am not getting in the middle of this whole argument but everyone has the thing about the BP wrong. The "team" that went in and terminated the situation was a hastily gathered group of officers from a number of jurisdictions including local, state and federal officers. It was not a USBP Tactical team.
Which then raises the question where these people were?
Too busy at a photo shoot trying to look the part but not actually be it?
Why was a rag tag group of officers required 90 minutes in to be the first major engagement since the initial fire fight?
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:32 am to Bronc
They needed time for hair, makeup and a costume change.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:34 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Is it true that the cops got their own kids out of the school and then went back outside? Someone on social media said this, and that beggars belief.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:34 am to baldona
quote:Yeah like the officers he was able to evade after the accident, and the two officers that he fended off in the school hallway? Those trained adults couldn’t take the kid down.
If this was a firefight in Afghanistan against experienced Taliban, your statement would make some sense. But this was against an 18 year old with little to no experience with firearms. Its likely that any adult man that had many days of range time would likely more proficient then the murderer here.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:36 am to au4you
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Yeah like the officers he was able to evade after the accident, and the two officers that he fended off in the school hallway? Those trained adults couldn’t take the kid down.
These people act like this took place on an open playground. When you are in a school, the defender has a 10 to 1 advantage.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:37 am to RogerTheShrubber
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THe smart person would refrain from making decisions based on this incomplete and conflicting information.
You don't know any more about what happened than some random person in Canada.
Are you just here to be an annoying boomer reactionary talking out both sides depending on who needs trolling? Serious question, cause your reactionary post that seem to contradict one another constantly, just collectively come off like some emotionally unhinged person that cant turn off their culture and tribal wars
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:38 am to Lakeboy7
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Local yokel cops in small towns are useless in situations like this.
They're useless period.
If your town has fewer than 20,000 residents, you don't need a police department. Just build a sheriff's substation and hire more deputies.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:39 am to Bronc
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Are you just here to be an annoying boomer reactionary
You poor baby. Go find someone who cares. You frick up, get angry when called on it.
You are all over the place, contradicting yourself. You have no clue what happened, you're just trying to fit what you think happened into a thimble.
Classic bias.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:39 am to crazy4lsu
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Is it true that the cops got their own kids out of the school and then went back outside? Someone on social media said this, and that beggars belief.
Some parents/witnesses alleged that last night and this morning.
I saw that too.
Haven't said anything because it seems to be rumor/assumption/hearsay at this point
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:41 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You poor baby. Go find someone who cares. You frick up, get angry when called on it.
You are all over the place, contradicting yourself. You have no clue what happened, you're just trying to fit what you think happened into a thimble.
Classic bias.
Real talk, you really do come off either as someone that is terrible at articulating coherent thoughts and ideas through a keyboard, or an unhinged reactionary addicted to the negative endorphin rush of online conflict
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:41 am to Indefatigable
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those officers were unable to access.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:42 am to crazy4lsu
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Is it true that the cops got their own kids out of the school and then went back outside? Someone on social media said this, and that beggars belief.
I’d imagine the police got a ton of kids secured, including likely some of their own.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:43 am to Bronc
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Real talk, you really do come off either as someone that is terrible at articulating coherent
Youre neither articulate nor coherent. You're all over the place, you know nothing. You have contradicted yourself numerous times.
Probably a law school kid.
This post was edited on 5/26/22 at 10:44 am
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:45 am to Bronc
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Multiple reports allege there was no firefight, a few that claim there was.
Either way, the killer easily accessed the school without injury and managed to proceed unharmed.
If he did engage, he clearly was shite at it, which I'm not sure isnt worse considering this is supposed to be the trained officer on site, paid through tax dollars, to subdue this very thing.
Got it. So again you are picking and choosing the narrative that fits your argument. Good deal.
Its also very possible the SRO was outgunned, shot and injured because he was caught off guard, and was injured and unable to pursue the murderer.
We really don't know though so I'm not going to pick and choose the facts.
And no, SRO's while trained to a degree for a school shooter are also not exactly swat team members and are not armed to combat someone like this.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:46 am to Indefatigable
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Active shooter training and tactics have been just about public knowledge for 30 years
before 1999 (columbine) the active shooter training was to literally sit outside and wait for the shooter to stop shooting and come out. they treated it like a hostage situation.
columbine changed everything to when you hear gunshots, you run towards the gunfire to eliminate the threat as quickly as you can.
Posted on 5/26/22 at 10:46 am to baldona
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Got it. So again you are picking and choosing the narrative that fits your argument. Good deal.
He's so goddamned ridiculous. It like arguing with a 14 year old girl.
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