re: Anyone here a member of Second Baptist in Houston?

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Basically the Young family (lawyers working on their behalf) hijacked the church by changing the bylaws over a holiday weekend in a hush hush meeting.

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Game of Thrones (Mega Churches)

I realize you are referencing Luke 1:28, but the Hail Mary the Catholic say in its entirety is not directly from the Bible. And the bible never says to pray to her.

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Was curious as well and did some digging. This will give the best info. Basically the Young family (lawyers working on their behalf) hijacked the church by changing the bylaws over a holiday weekend in a hush hush meeting. They made all of their employees attend and vote in the changes.


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With these changes Ed Young Sr. appointed his son as successor (removed the formal search process in bylaw change). From what I hear the son is just not fit for the job for a number of reasons. I believe the son cheated on his first wife and got a divorce which some would say should disqualify him. From what I could tell Ed Young Sr. was a pretty upright guy and this really tarnishes his reputation. He’s pretty old so not sure if he was manipulated in the whole deal or not. Prob. too generous.

Ed’s older son Ed Young Jr. has a church with some shady stuff going on in the Dallas area so maybe they are all in on it and just not good people. Idk.

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According to this report from 2025, the son kicked his father out the day after he was appointed.

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However, BNG did not report one incredible claim from the lawsuit: That one day after being installed as senior pastor, Ben Young “ordered his father to vacate his office and cease his involvement in the church.”

According to the Chronicle, “that same day, the new church leader fired the headmaster of Second Baptist’s K-12 school along with the choir director. He then appointed Cliff Young (his older brother), Mac Richard (his cousin who leads Lake Hills Church in Austin) and Brewer, the attorney, to the Ministry Leadership Team. Brewer has served as general counsel and CFO of Edwin Barry Young’s Fellowship Church in North Texas.”

Ben Young told the Houston congregation all these changes are about moving forward.

“We as a church family here at Second are not going backward, but we are moving forward with all that God has in store for us to reach his next generation to Christ,” he said. “Our pastors, financial leaders, attorneys, laypeople and others who helped lead this church family will continue to do so with deep care, excellence and creativity as we seek to fulfill God’s call to worship, walk and win others to Christ.”

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Story from Baptist News dot com

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That one day after being installed as senior pastor, Ben Young “ordered his father to vacate his office and cease his involvement in the church.” According to the Chronicle, “that same day, the new church leader fired the headmaster of Second Baptist’s K-12 school along with the choir director. He then appointed Cliff Young (his older brother), Mac Richard (his cousin who leads Lake Hills Church in Austin) and Brewer, the attorney, to the Ministry Leadership Team. Brewer has served as general counsel and CFO of Edwin Barry Young’s Fellowship Church in North Texas.”

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If this is true, would love to hear what Ed Sr thinks. He clears the path for his son, then son starts firing all of dad’s people…

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According to the Chronicle, “that same day, the new church leader fired the headmaster of Second Baptist’s K-12 school along with the choir director. He then appointed Cliff Young (his older brother), Mac Richard (his cousin who leads Lake Hills Church in Austin) and Brewer, the attorney, to the Ministry Leadership Team. Brewer has served as general counsel and CFO of Edwin Barry Young’s Fellowship Church in North Texas.”

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Ted Cruz was the valedictorian one year at SB school back in the day.

And Cliff Young was a famous Christian musician in the 90s.

Not that any of that justifies his father’s actions.

I find it to be a sad ending for someone who led a church for 50 years. His son should have just gone somewhere else to get a job and the church should have been allowed to find a new minister.

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realize you are referencing Luke 1:28, but the Hail Mary the Catholic say in its entirety is not directly from the Bible. And the bible never says to pray to her.

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Correct… as I stated, the beginning of the prayer is the annunciation and the visitation. That comes directly from scripture.
The second part says:
“Holy Mary mother of God pray for us now and at the hour of our death.”
We are asking for Mary’s intercession.

Intercessory prayer is in the Bible.

This is a bit elementary, but my old best friend and college roommate was Baptist, and I explained it to him like this….

As a good southern man…
You can ask me for help and I will try to help, when I can.
If you get my mother to come to me on your behalf and ask me for help, I will urgently try to expedite your request.
But, if my mother comes to me weeping and sobbing, begging for my help on your behalf, I will MOVE MOUNTAINS, to relieve my mother’s pain.

When Jesus was on the cross, He gave Mary to his beloved disciple saying, “woman, behold your son.” Then He said to the disciple, “behold your mother”.
At this moment Mary became our spiritual mother. It pains her to see us suffering. If you bring her your pains, your sorrows, your difficulties, she will inevitably go to her son, weeping and asking for graces on your behalf.

Of course, we can pray straight to Jesus, and are encouraged to.
We should have a DEEP relationship with the son. Having a devotion to his mother, our mother, the Virgin Mary can only lead to greater and deeper relationship with the Son.

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If this is true, would love to hear what Ed Sr thinks. He clears the path for his son, then son starts firing all of dad’s people…

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The old man was losing it. They were getting complaints about his going off the rails during sermons. That is why his sons decided to replace him via subterfuge.

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I’m glad you were able to put it in “elementary” terms for simple me. But I don’t see how the angel greeting Mary should be extrapolated to me praying to Mary. I don’t see praying to Mary anywhere in the Bible.

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First, I did not call you simple… My words do not contain any attack on your intellect as you perceive.

I did not say anything about extrapolating the Angels greeting to Mary, into you praying to Mary. I said that the lines were biblical.

However, I would argue that reading and reciting scripture is a good thing. And the Hail Mary does exactly that.

In addition, intercessory prayer is scriptural, who better to intercede than Jesus’ Mother, our Mother?

The Hail Mary combines a request for intercessory prayer and scripture. It’s really that simple.

I do not wish to carry on an internet debate. I have done my due diligence to explain it.
I am not a trained apologist, but there are many out there who have explained the Hail Mary and intercessory prayer.

I’ll simply leave a couple links below.

I hope you have a wonderful and Blessed day .

Hail Mary in the bible


Why do we pray to Mary?


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If you wish to know what convinces and convicts me to have a great devotion to Mary… look up Marian apparitions, particularly Fatima.
70,000 people witnessed the miracle of the Sun.