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re: Anyone have an actual good alternative to the economic system we have created?
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:00 am to YungFO
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:00 am to YungFO
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what choice does a poor kid have in the school he attends besides the one he is zoned for?
look this is an intractable problem, but "schools are bad" is not the issue. the issue is those kids lives around the schools, which is why i don't even see school choice as the issue. the only solutions are removing children from the families/culture or punishing the culture to eradicate it in a few generations. both are illegal, possibly immoral, and would take generations to see results so they're not options. that's why it's so intractable (and that's before we even get into the emotional thinkers calling being honest, being "mean")
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Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
that's just semantics. "chance" and "opportunity" are being used synonymously
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:00 am to RogerTheShrubber
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I'm talking middle class poor....less than 40,000 a year.
1) Get married
2) Get an education and/or additional job training
3) Stay where you are and move up the ladder.
It's that easy.
Dammit, I have to say you are absolutely correct here lol. I'm asking if we would prefer a different type of life where we could enjoy more and suffer less. You can even throw stupid shite out there like let people decide what employee pool they want to be in and they can work to be selected as the job they want. I'm not asking for neverland lol just a system that might work better for more.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:02 am to tigerdude3232
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I'm asking if we would prefer a different type of life where we could enjoy more and suffer less.
we are literally living at the PEAK of "enjoying more and suffering less". hell as a society we don't even work that much anymore
what more do you want, exactly?
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:02 am to SlowFlowPro
i understand how these kids end up in these situations. you're basically making my point for me. Kids cant choose what family they're born into.
And i have no idea on how to fix such a hugely flawed social structure. But for all these guys on this board to just dismiss people and say everyone had the same chance is absurd.
Obviously something along the way was flawed and nothing can be perfect, but there's nothing wrong with starting a conversation.
And i have no idea on how to fix such a hugely flawed social structure. But for all these guys on this board to just dismiss people and say everyone had the same chance is absurd.
Obviously something along the way was flawed and nothing can be perfect, but there's nothing wrong with starting a conversation.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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What is money? Why do useless people get to keep it and hoard it? I mean I get most wealthy people are very intelligent and have worked extremely hard, but what is the point in having more money than you can spend in 3 generations.
at a certain point the money itself becomes irrelevant. you don't become wealthy by focusing on money. you become wealthy by maximizing the efficiency of what led to the accumulation of your money. if your idea is sound and your execution is great, you will become rich/wealthy
soooooooo?
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:05 am to tigerdude3232
if you don't understand desire, intensity, and a focus on advancement and efficiency, then you will never find satisfactory answers to your questions because your perspective just doesn't overlap. your comprehension is limited in this area
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:06 am to YungFO
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that's just semantics. "chance" and "opportunity" are being used synonymously
Absolutely not.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:07 am to tigerdude3232
You're welcome 
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:08 am to tigerdude3232
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Dammit, I have to say you are absolutely correct here lol. I'm asking if we would prefer a different type of life where we could enjoy more and suffer less
I don't suffer. It has nothing to do with money.
I realized long ago my own happiness in life has very little do to with the current economic system.
Since you've danced around it, what's a better type of system?
Socialism? Communism? More crony capitalism? Free Market capitalism?
Only one gives you tremendous opportunity.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:10 am to tigerdude3232
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Can you explain your thinking on this? How is a system that we work most of our existence by far the most moral system?
Because it starts with the most moral assumption of all: nobody is entitled to shite in life.
Work or starve.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:10 am to YungFO
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what choice does a poor kid have in the school he attends besides the one he is zoned for?
Idk how things work in Alaska but not everyone has "school choice" down here
Again, this comes down to parental choices. It's not on the child. A good parent that cares about their child's future will figure out a way to get that child educated in a better system. I have personally lived where I live to make sure my daughter has received the best possible education. I made the sacrifice to make that happen. It's THE number one reason I don't live "inner city".
By the way, I see "poor" parents living in apartments in my community. They live in our community to make sure their children receive a good education. They were smart enough to get out of the vicious inner city spiral.
Yes, everyone has a choice. Again, their will always be those that make excuses.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:12 am to baldona
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$40K? First off that's like top 10% of earners in the world.
Once again, just because you set the standard, which we don't, doesn't mean it can't be improved. 40K here is not 40K in Somalia.
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Lastly, on $40k a year you are not poor unless you make poor financial decisions. That's plenty to afford to but a 1000 sq ft house in 99% of America, 2 used cars, and enjoy a better life than 99% of the human population has ever enjoyed. So again, why is that life so bad?
No one said it's bad...At one time cars didn't have a/c. What if they were like look no one else has even has a radio like us, why would they want a/c. be better than the standard
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:12 am to YungFO
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Kids cant choose what family they're born into.
They can choose what kind of adult to be.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:13 am to tigerdude3232
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You think LF earned his athleticism by himself lol? Try genes
Leonard could have thrown it all away. Leonard made the "choice" not do so. Genes did not make him make the right choice. Again, it's about people making the right choices in life.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:15 am to SlowFlowPro
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we are literally living at the PEAK of "enjoying more and suffering less". hell as a society we don't even work that much anymore
says who lol?
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what more do you want, exactly?
To have a more valuable currency and more spread out wealth
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:16 am to tigerdude3232
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says who lol?
smart people who understand society and humanity
what societal factor do you want to use? or a combination thereof?
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:17 am to tigerdude3232
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says who lol?
Objectively.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:18 am to tigerdude3232
Economic systems are simply methods for allocating scarce resources. The accelerating tech explosion will usher in a new era of abundance at our fingertips, with no need for work or money.
Just before AI becomes self aware and exterminates us all.
Just before AI becomes self aware and exterminates us all.
Posted on 6/21/18 at 11:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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if you don't understand desire, intensity, and a focus on advancement and efficiency
It's the not agreeing with the individualism of our society. Take what you can, from whoever you can so you can win
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