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re: Anyone else really not liking the feds involvement in protest

Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:13 pm to
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:13 pm to
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I think the phrase you are looking for is "arresting criminals".
If they were criminals, they would have been charged with a crime. They were not. They were intimidated by federal agents.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29437 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:14 pm to
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I think the phrase you are looking for is "arresting criminals".


He keeps throwing around terms and phrases like “innocent protestors”, “being kidnapped” and “no probable cause,” and yet he has no basis for saying that. He has no clue if the feds have previously identified perpetrators of crimes in the riots, and are arresting them when out past curfew. He posted a 10 second video of someone getting beaten by a baton and pepper sprayed without evidencing or seeming to know any context about what happened leading up to that (for example, if the subject was beyond a point he was not supposed to be in proximity to a federal building under protection, and he refused to move).
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
72868 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:14 pm to
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But that's not what they're doing.


Another lie
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:17 pm to
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More dishonesty. They are not innocent.

Clearly - or they would not be getting picked up.
If they were not innocent, why were they released without charge?
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I’ve never been detained by federal agents.
If you keep supporting aggressive intimidation tactics by federal agents against American citizens, you might get your chance one day.
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Keep lying; keep getting called on it.
Where's the lie?
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294332 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:17 pm to
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He keeps throwing around terms and phrases like “innocent protestors”, “being kidnapped” and “no probable cause,” and yet he has no basis for saying that.


He's extremely emotional over the Comrades being rebuffed by the Feds.
Posted by Bobby OG Johnson
Member since Apr 2015
32083 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:18 pm to
Did you buy some merch to help your boy out?

quote:

The Sacramento cell of antifa, part of a network of violent militant antifa groups in US, has created merchandise & propaganda in support of Gage Halupowski. The man is one of the few antifa convicted for assault in Portland. He nearly killed Adam Kelly in an unprovoked beating.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61255 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:19 pm to
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Korkstand


I've read through most of this thread. You are a retard and it's no use responding to you.

Keep up the good fight for your poor innocent folks though. It's a noble cause.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71250 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:19 pm to
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Private property is destroyed every single day of the year all around the country. Can we not make it a habit of sending in the feds?

The problem is, local authorities are either incapable or unwilling to protect their citizens. No matter what flowery bullshite peaceful picture you want to paint, innocent people have been beaten, killed, and had their businesses and livelihoods destroyed. On a daily and nightly basis, countless others have to endure the actions of petulant children illegally blocking public roadways, menacing them and their potential customers, and generally sowing terror in neighborhoods. Mayors, almost exclusively Democratic Mayors, who allow that to continue day after day for weeks on end have completely and utterly failed at the job they were elected to do. If they are incapable of doing the job they should do the right thing and step down. If they will not step down or allow their police chief to do the job they were appointed to do, you're God damned right the feds should step in.

And stop acting like Feds are being sent in to every city or town that has truly peaceful protests. That is disingenuous bullshite and you damn well know it.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
49564 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:21 pm to
Ok so we got the same twitter link you’ve been posting and then some anecdotes

Where’s the beef
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:21 pm to
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This is precisely what they were doing. Investigating, finding them and arresting them.
Why were they released without charge?
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This did not happen. an arrest is not a "kidnapping" you idiot. Just because you don't hear the cop identify himself on the one video floating around doesn't mean they didn't. And they don't have to identify themselves to everyone on the street. They also do not have to Mirandise them immediately. They used unmarked cars because the "protesters" have burned and attacked every marked car that has come in the area.
So what's going to happen when some Proud Boys start rolling around in camo tossing people into vans? Why are the feds setting up scenarios for bad shite to happen? If some dudes pull up and try to put me in a van, I'm going to fight for my life, and they would probably end it.

This shite is not ok.

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Antifa has been free to do as they please there for years now.
More fascist tactics, invent a boogeyman to rally against.
Posted by ihometiger
Member since Dec 2013
12475 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:22 pm to
I’m with Roger however the Feds should pull out all government agencies located in Portland and relocate them to eastern Oregon.
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
29437 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:23 pm to
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At least two people have been snatched from the street and tossed into unmarked vehicles, detained for hours, and then released without charge after several hours of asking for a lawyer and not being provided with one. These are intimidation tactics.

If they are there to defend federal property, fine, defend it. Arrest and charge anyone who attacks it or them. Arrest and charge anyone who breaks *any* law. Wonderful, fine by me. But that's not what they're doing.


You’re assuming there isn’t anything more to the story and the link offers no context as to why the situation had escalated to that level.

They may well have fricked up or abused their power in that situation, and in that case, it would be condemnable. Obviously, though, you are downplaying an instance of a break-in and attempted arson on a federal building, and are totally ignoring the violence that has been inflicted on law enforcement officials in the riots, so it’s not like you are approaching this in an even-handed way.
This post was edited on 7/21/20 at 11:24 pm
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
294332 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:24 pm to
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They were intimidated by federal agents.


Like the IRS does to millions every year..

Where's the outrage?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71250 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:25 pm to
Also, Korky, let's not ignore the fact that in these cities with useless Democrat Mayors that have allowed this shite to go on for weeks, violent crime has skyrocketed. Every day it is a new headline from the common shite journalists on both "sides". Do you think there may be a correlation here? Have you ever heard the term, "Give them an inch, and they will take a mile."?

The leadership in these cities has set a precedent of lawlessness, and criminals are taking advantage of it. Spin it however the hell you want, but it is the truth.

Now, carry on with your ignorant arse shite posting.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:26 pm to
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He posted a 10 second video of someone getting beaten by a baton and pepper sprayed without evidencing or seeming to know any context about what happened leading up to that (for example, if the subject was beyond a point he was not supposed to be in proximity to a federal building under protection, and he refused to move).
There are TONS of stories about this man. He has done interviews. Search "captain portland". He is a Navy vet and was absolutely not a threat. He had certainly not done anything to deserve what happened to him.


Unbelievable that people are trying to defend these actions. If that video were from another country, what would you think of the government behind those officers?
Posted by Navtiger1
Washington
Member since Aug 2007
3368 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:26 pm to
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53 year old Navy vet being beaten and pepper sprayed. He was not aggressive and broke no laws. He was *enthusiastically* beaten.


As an active duty Navy member. frick him! I really don't care. the fact that people want to give special attention to some limp wristed Officer who decided to stand his ground against police trying to clear the area and refused to move after the first baton strike, yes they kept hitting him and sprayed his arse. Don't care. Being in the military doesn't make you special and it sure as hell doesn't make you smart.

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At least two people have been snatched from the street and tossed into unmarked vehicles, detained for hours, and then released without charge after several hours of asking for a lawyer and not being provided with one. These are intimidation tactics.


Already explained most of this, but just because they were questioned, but not charged is not intimidation. I've been detained, cuffed, questioned and released in several cities. They say they asked for a lawyer. So what prove they did.
Posted by RealDawg
Dawgville
Member since Nov 2012
11123 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:29 pm to
Honestly feels like people are protesting about protesting at the moment. Outraged about things to be determined at a later date.

Over 20 million Chinese still live in caves.

784 million Africans can’t get clean drinking water.

Are we honestly still protesting because like 20 people got killed for no cause by police out of 10,000,000 arrests? .000002 %

So police killed a total of 1,000 people (most of which are justified) last year. That many people died yesterday of Covid.

Please insert one of the other 1,000 bigger problems in the US.
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
49564 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:30 pm to
Sorry “captain Portland” finally got what he wanted

LINK

How much more money have Portland businesses lost since this was published?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71250 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:30 pm to
You said this:
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More fascist tactics, invent a boogeyman to rally against.



Right after you said this:
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So what's going to happen when some Proud Boys start rolling around in camo tossing people into vans?


Talk about boogey men. You really are special.
Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
7118 posts
Posted on 7/21/20 at 11:31 pm to
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This might be worse than your “as a lawyer” thread


This dude claims to be a lawyer? He can't write logical words to save his life.....
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I don’t care for Trump because I actually have known him through a relative for decades.

.....Sure you know what he means, but damn this is so poorly written and grammatically incorrect.
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