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re: Anybody’s company scrambling to figure out contaminated Control Rooms?
Posted on 4/5/20 at 9:14 pm to RealityTiger
Posted on 4/5/20 at 9:14 pm to RealityTiger
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You cannot run a plant like that. You need at the very least an inside guy and an outside guy.
No you dont. Assuming the control system has been properly designed a fatass operator can operate from his couch. More often than not the control system protects the operator from himself.
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 9:15 pm
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Posted on 4/5/20 at 9:17 pm to diat150
Oh really? What do you do if you have a seal leak on a pump and it's rooster tailing chemical all over the ground, while completely losing prime and you lose all discharge pressure? Hurry up, the tank it's pulling from is at 100% level.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 9:18 pm to diat150
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No you dont. Assuming the control system has been properly designed a fatass operator can operate from his couch. More often than not the control system protects the operator from himself.
What happens if a pump trips? A level reading goes out? Got to bypass or shutdown a unit?
Posted on 4/5/20 at 9:20 pm to corym52
Some of these bozos are convinced that you don't need an operator presence to run a plant. 
You can tell who has experience and who doesn't.
You can tell who has experience and who doesn't.Posted on 4/5/20 at 9:23 pm to BayouBengalRubicon
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we're looking at a Honeywell solution that allows operators to work from home through a remote VPN
No bueno. Maybe advise/monitor only but I'd never open up the network for the plant to be controlled remotely
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 9:25 pm
Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:11 pm to diat150
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You cannot run a plant like that. You need at the very least an inside guy and an outside guy.
No you dont. Assuming the control system has been properly designed a fatass operator can operate from his couch. More often than not the control system protects the operator from himself.
Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:22 pm to diat150
Wow, didn’t realize transmitters were so fail safe! You sir sound like an engineer that doesn’t like to hit the field too much!
Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:25 pm to charlestonchief
A lot of operators triggered in here. It’s just a short amount of time before AI takes over controlling the plant. AI doesn’t fall asleep, or get tired of looking at a screen and not pay attention. It’s gonna make decisions on a millisecond level and correct anomalies before you would ever notice them happening. PLC’s and DCs systems already do 99% of the work.
This post was edited on 4/5/20 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 4/5/20 at 10:59 pm to BabyTac
Only board operators and shift supervisor(Me) allowed in our control room. Extra cleaning crews to disinfect, plus you clean stuff yourself. Temporary cubicle walls between our 3 board operators. Still doing normal shift schedule at this time. Management really stressing social distancing. Most day people working from home.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:31 am to Privateer 2007
That and beach water solution is what I've been doing.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:36 am to BabyTac
"This is why you have encrypted control rooms to fix the unencrypted control rooms and a Rosetta Stone to translate everything."
-Eduardo Jimenez
-Eduardo Jimenez
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:42 am to diat150
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No you dont. Assuming the control system has been properly designed a fatass operator can operate from his couch. More often than not the control system protects the operator from himself.
Gentlemen, this is the difference between engineers and operators.
Engineers function on the assumption that things work the way they should,
Operators have learned that they don’t.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:47 am to diat150
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A lot of operators triggered in here. It’s just a short amount of time before AI takes over controlling the plant. AI doesn’t fall asleep, or get tired of looking at a screen and not pay attention. It’s gonna make decisions on a millisecond level and correct anomalies before you would ever notice them happening. PLC’s and DCs systems already do 99% of the work.
Look bud, I agree that there are a lot of things that AI is more, on paper, competent at.
But AI can’t process the years of experience, the actual, physical, real world knowledge that goes on. Because AI operates on the concept that things work and go wrong like they are programmed to. And unfortunately that’s not the way things work. shite goes awry and all the protocol doesn’t fit and it takes human ingenuity to work out a solution. Not some IT guy trying to get a computer to figure out the situation.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:50 am to diat150
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No you dont. Assuming the control system has been properly designed a fatass operator can operate from his couch. More often than not the control system protects the operator from himself.
fricking wow
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:02 am to BabyTac
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Anybody’s company scrambling to figure out contaminated Control Rooms?
Like air traffic control rooms?
I think they'll manage.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:05 am to BabyTac
No, nobody else lives in your fantasy world
Posted on 4/6/20 at 2:32 am to BabyTac
We've been planning for this since the middle of January.
If your management group is just now trying to scrape something together, I'd have to say it's gross negligence on their behalf.
Temp screenings, deep cleanings, modifying work practices to ensure employees are complying with social distancing are all being done now...hell I can remote in to monitor systems from home. It's not that hard.
If your management group is just now trying to scrape something together, I'd have to say it's gross negligence on their behalf.
Temp screenings, deep cleanings, modifying work practices to ensure employees are complying with social distancing are all being done now...hell I can remote in to monitor systems from home. It's not that hard.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:19 am to diat150
horse hockey
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:52 am to diat150
There is a lot of ignorance behind what you’re saying. True, a lot of running a plant is plug and play as long as it’s cadillacing. The problems that pop up is with the mechanical equipment involved (pumps, control valves, electronic block valves, fin fans throwing belts) and chemical plugging/corrosion (leaks in flanges, transmitters plugging or leaking and giving a false reading, etc.). If all you’re processing is water, you might have a point. Then again, maybe not even that because during an extended hard freeze you have problems.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 4:53 am to RealityTiger
He’s too smart to realize he’s full of shite, which is a dangerous thing.
I used to be arrogant enough to operate on the same wavelength. That things should go according to what the books said. What the math said. That enough intelligence crammed into a situation would solve things.
What I learned was that reality is a fickle mistress and the books don’t mean shite. A plant is like a woman, and the only way to really get to know her is to deal with her and learn all her little idiosyncrasies. The shite that doesn’t make sense on paper but like it or not works in reality. The little moves that get her out of the rut and purring like a kitty.
It’s shite like that you only learn from years of experience and it pisses the engineers off because it doesn’t fly with what their books say should be.
I used to be arrogant enough to operate on the same wavelength. That things should go according to what the books said. What the math said. That enough intelligence crammed into a situation would solve things.
What I learned was that reality is a fickle mistress and the books don’t mean shite. A plant is like a woman, and the only way to really get to know her is to deal with her and learn all her little idiosyncrasies. The shite that doesn’t make sense on paper but like it or not works in reality. The little moves that get her out of the rut and purring like a kitty.
It’s shite like that you only learn from years of experience and it pisses the engineers off because it doesn’t fly with what their books say should be.
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