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re: Anybody have JAG experience?

Posted on 2/15/24 at 3:49 am to
Posted by Strannix
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/15/24 at 3:49 am to
Watched the show for years AMA

This post was edited on 2/15/24 at 3:51 am
Posted by WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
poolside at Cocal (UA since 2010)
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 2/15/24 at 3:55 am to
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Posted by MoarKilometers
Member since Apr 2015
17949 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 4:29 am to
One of my ex's middle brother did JAG. Retard once got an airport shutdown over a firearm in his luggage, on a trip back from Afghanistan. Didn't even get a slap on the wrist Post military he spent a brief time doing legal advisement for the house ethics committee. Someone got impeached a couple weeks after he left that job He strongly considered running for a vacant house seat here in FL, but ended up doing private practice in Chicago the last 4-5 years.
Posted by artompkins
Orange Beach, Al
Member since May 2010
5615 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 4:30 am to
I have experience talking to a Jag before my 2 NJPa before I retired lol but that’s it. One of them saved my promotion to Msgt that was on the table before the second one. As a 5821, CID/NCIS agent I worked with them closely as well. Oddly both the Navy and Marines have a lot of lawyers on active from top law schools, Harvard especially. Seems a lot of guys get their start there and decide to stay. A guy I went to boot camp with went through the enlisted commissioning program at LSU and after he graduated was accepted at Harvard so the corps paid for that too. He’s about to retire a Lt Col and go into private practice. It’s a good life.
Posted by IAmNERD
Member since May 2017
19250 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 6:39 am to
quote:

but every branch has a ton of SJW bullshite.

Yeah, idk if some have been under a rock for the past 10 years, but anything that touches the FedGov is gonna have woke elements to deal with.
Posted by Northshore Aggie
Mandeville, LA
Member since Sep 2022
4708 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 6:49 am to
quote:

He means tactical, as in in being in actual danger, I suspect. Because that doesn't happen in basic

I know what tactical means. He said he wants to learn tactics, which he will at the Basic School. TBS is not "basic".
Posted by Northshore Aggie
Mandeville, LA
Member since Sep 2022
4708 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 6:57 am to
quote:

Apart from really mundane stuff that will bore you like determining if a unit can have a bake sale...They don't seek truth or justice, they just want to please some senior officer that gives subtle hints on how to dispose of certain cases while avoiding unlawful command influence. Then when you call them on this they talk about being a "zealous advocate" while violating their obligations to be truthful and seek justice. The Constitution, which is what you will swear to support and defend, does not talk about protecting the chain of command - it talks about due process, but JAGs seem to forget about that. I have seen false police reports, lying under oath, obstructing justice, deliberate avoidance of duty, hiding evidence, and more. I don't know what your experience is with administrative stuff, but there is nothing but injustice in the military administrative system and you'll be called upon to defend it and use it to destroy people's lives. The military likes to use admin routes to skip over or lower the burden of proof when they want to get rid of people and levy accusations that ought to demand a court proceeding and robust due process. This is also where the most shady stuff takes place. Our military is full of corrupt senior officers and JAGs that live to protect them. Paralegals can handle people that piss hot and get discharged. If you're ok with sucking a bunch of senior officer dick and railroading people (aka ruining their lives) that have done more for our national defense than those senior officers ever will, and if you want to shite on your oath and the Constitution...then go be a JAG.

Sigh. This is depressingly accurate.
Posted by AubieinNC2009
Mountain NC
Member since Dec 2018
4959 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:27 am to
there is a whole docuseries on the JAG life that I believe CBS had years ago
Posted by Northshore Aggie
Mandeville, LA
Member since Sep 2022
4708 posts
Posted on 2/15/24 at 8:53 am to
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Marine JAG is the real deal -same training as the grunts. All the other JAG trainings are different than enlisted. I was recruited and did interviews but I felt it was too much of a time suck after graduation.

let's not get carried away. you go to OCS and the Basic School all together, and, yes, TBS is 26 weeks of basic infantry tactics. so in that sense, you get the same training as the grunts. but after that careers diverge dramatically, with the the infantry guys go to Infantry Officers Course, and then off to their unit where literally all they do is train, and the JAGs going to the legal course and then on to their duty station where they will work as lawyers.

to the OP - you sound like you are a conservative or, at least, not a woke mind-virus infected do-gooder like so many lawyers are these days. so with that in mind, yeah, absolutely, we can use you in the Marine Corps now more than ever. that said, i can almost guarantee you that within the first week weeks or months of being at your first duty station, you will see things that boggle the mind in a legal sense. and you will almost certainly be pressured to bend ethically and morally based on what a commander wants you to do. you will be asked to prosecute and/or separate good, career Marines based solely on feelings and accusations. POTUS2024 summarized it pretty succinctly above. the SJA / JAG world is a cesspool of backbiting and selling out, and it takes a truly strong individual to navigate that community successfully.

that said, a handful of my very close friends are Marine attorneys, and they are as morally and ethically sound as they come. i mean these guys are rock solid, and they have repeatedly refused to bend to the political / cultural winds. in a lot of ways, they are the figurative FPL (which you'll learn about at TBS).

if you're ready to become a Marine officer and want to actually fight for something, then be aware that as a JAG, you will be fighting against the current political winds inside the institution more than the enemies of the nation, at least in a literal sense. ultimately, of course, the idea would be to strengthen the moral and ethical resolve of the Corps which WOULD fight the nation's enemies, but that's pretty nebulous. it's an ugly time to join an ugly MOS, but to borrow from the saying - hard times create strong men.

ask yourself what your intentions are. even if you only intend to do 4-8 years and then get out, which is perfectly acceptable, are you willing to get in and get nasty and fight for what's right for those 4-8 years? if so, we need you. badly.

are you looking to just shoot some machine guns in Quantico then serve 4-8 years to pad your resume with some military law experience before going into private practice and you hope to just quietly serve your time without ruffling feathers? well then, honestly, you should seek employment elsewhere.

and seriously, start capitalizing "Marine" before you piss someone off.





Posted by Masterag
'Round Dallas
Member since Sep 2014
18806 posts
Posted on 2/17/24 at 3:00 pm to
Thanks, that’s what I needed to hear. I don’t have it in me to bend to corruption, no matter who is asking. You’ve encouraged me.
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